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Omnivore

@foolishowl

I was curious as to whether anyone had tested simple vs complex sites and found LOTS of examples in your favor. Here is a good example.

"After just two-and-a-half weeks, these were their staggering results:"

cxl.com/blog/why-simple-websit

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FoolishOwl

@Ralph That's interesting.

I'm thinking in terms of how to make it really easy to publish on the Internet; I'm impressed by the possibilities of static site generators and markdown. My point about text is that people shouldn't have to be worried about web design if they want to do something as simple as publishing essays.

Omnivore

@foolishowl

I used the WYSIWYG HTML editor called Mozilla Composer. It was very simple as long as you just want text, images, lists, tables, and links (no CSS nonsense or ECMAScript). It looks like the latest iteration is Nvu (pronounced "N-view").

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_

You can see an example of the result here:

instrumentation.conlang.org/in

I haven't actually used Nvu, but it's here:
nvu.com/

@foolishowl

I used the WYSIWYG HTML editor called Mozilla Composer. It was very simple as long as you just want text, images, lists, tables, and links (no CSS nonsense or ECMAScript). It looks like the latest iteration is Nvu (pronounced "N-view").

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_

You can see an example of the result here:

FoolishOwl

@Ralph From reading through the Wikipedia page, Nvu was an active project from 2004 to 2005, then shelved in favor of KompoZer, which was an active project until 2010.

SeaMonkey is still an active project and includes Seamonkey Composer, a descendant of Mozilla Composer.
seamonkey-project.org/

Omnivore

@foolishowl

Cool, I was actually using IceApe, which was the Debian (copyright free) version of Seamonkey. I didn't want to go down that rabbit hole unless you were already versed in Linux branching.

Good luck with your quest for HTML simplicity!

Kote Isaev

@Ralph "“Visually complex” websites are consistently rated as less beautiful than their simpler counterparts." this sounds like study done in US-only audience group. I recall an article that describes how different "beautiful website" looks for the Japan audience, and author described the possible reasons, partly coming from local typographic and culture traditions.
I remember bright, colorful and visually complex screenshots of Japan websites from that article.

Omnivore

@koteisaev

Interesting! I did a quick search and found this (the links don't go to the websites) recent list.

similarweb.com/top-websites/ja

Here is the top site below YouTube. It's pretty busy (nicovideo.jp/), but the rest are less so (tenki.jp/). Looking at the code (using F12) I think they are all basically content servers (like most commercial sites). I think the use of Kanji keeps the sites looking cleaner than English text would.

@koteisaev

Interesting! I did a quick search and found this (the links don't go to the websites) recent list.

similarweb.com/top-websites/ja

Here is the top site below YouTube. It's pretty busy (nicovideo.jp/), but the rest are less so (tenki.jp/). Looking at the code (using F12) I think they are all basically content servers (like most commercial sites). I think the use of Kanji keeps the sites looking cleaner than...

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