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Johannes Ernst

About half of the Fediverse addresses typed by FediForum attendees into the session notes are missing the leading "@".

People typed in their very own Fediverse handles. And because they came to FediForum, it's very likely they are very well acquainted with the right syntax.

Pretty strong circumstantial evidence that most people won't be able to distinguish Fediverse handles from e-mail addresses.

I have long believed that they should be the same.

#fediverse #email #address #fediforum

23 Sep 2023 at 0:44 | Open on social.coop
10 comments
Nathalie Van Raemdonck

@J12t what do you mean by "they should be the same"?

23 Sep 2023 at 1:04 | Open on hci.social
Johannes Ernst

@nvraemdonck I write j12t@social.coop on my business card. Web page. FediForum notes, whatever.

You read it, paste it into your favorite messaging app (like gmail, or Mastodon) and send me a message.

Why should you have to care that SMTP is different from ActivitiyPub? Or know that either of them exist?

23 Sep 2023 at 1:29 | Open on social.coop
Sergio

@J12t @nvraemdonck si please enlighten me. If I send myself an email to my mastodon address I will receive that message here?

23 Sep 2023 at 1:32 | Open on mastodon.online
Johannes Ernst

@sergiodomeyko @nvraemdonck today: extremely unlikely. But does it have to be that way? It would require email hosts and social media instances to stick their heads and perhaps operations together.

23 Sep 2023 at 2:30 | Open on social.coop
Laura Langdon
@reiver ⊼ (Charles) :batman:

@J12t

Regarding:

"Pretty strong circumstantial evidence that most people won't be able to distinguish Fediverse handles from e-mail addresses."

"I have long believed that they should be the same."

I've thought the same, too.

23 Sep 2023 at 5:16 | Open on mastodon.social
James M.

@J12t I dunno. I think it's more common to change AP servers than to change email addresses. You wouldn't want to have to change your email address because of a moderation problem due to someone else on your server.

23 Sep 2023 at 5:40 | Open on sfba.social
Johannes Ernst

@jamesmarshall well, you are talking about the social case of when to use one identifier vs another, and I am talking about the technical case why one identifier can support multiple communications protocols. These are separate subjects in my view.
Example: many people use different email addresses for different purposes, all the way to now-automated one-time addresses provided by companies such asApple.

23 Sep 2023 at 6:47 | Open on social.coop
John Burns

@J12t

And when said person loses control of the email address (e.g. broadband provider change, employer change, etc.)...

What does that person do? Lose entire setup and start again?

Asking, because this is how many forums did it... and it was wrong then.

23 Sep 2023 at 10:10 | Open on kzoo.to
Strypey

@J12t
> most people won't be able to distinguish Fediverse handles from e-mail addresses. I have long believed that they should be the same

... as are #XMPP addresses. I agree.

@muzzle
> I've always thought that we should have gone with a symbol other than @ for the user-host separator

#Matrix uses a @handle:domain.foo address format. It would be great if people could bring their own domain to any instance, and use the same address for email, matrix, or #fediverse.

@reiver

@J12t
> most people won't be able to distinguish Fediverse handles from e-mail addresses. I have long believed that they should be the same

... as are #XMPP addresses. I agree.

@muzzle
> I've always thought that we should have gone with a symbol other than @ for the user-host separator

#Matrix uses a @handle:domain.foo address format. It would be great if people could bring their own domain to any instance, and use the same address for email, matrix, or #fediverse.

24 Sep 2023 at 3:59 | Open on mastodon.nzoss.nz
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