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Dave

@gerrymcgovern Good summary & I get it (and am not debating the fundamental premise that more efficient emails are a good thing). To further the study though, have you found any supporting & comparative data that contrasts how much energy would be used to transmit said information via other mechanisms? I'd be interested in seeing how the throughput of Slack
(for example) compares -- if it can be compared...

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Gabriel Pettier

@dvolps @gerrymcgovern one issue with email specifically, is it only transports text-encoded data, not pure binary, so binary attachments need to be converted to base64 (and i think encoded in utf-7?), which is quite wasteful, and iirc can increase volume by 30% or so.
Also, every forward creates not one but multiple copies of the file, instead of just copying the link to the file, it is a pretty catastrophic design for file sharing.

Codex ☯️♈☮

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@gerrymcgovern

Impossible to compare, but likely quite similar. A byte of network traffic consumes the same resources regardless of what it represents. Encryption wrappers should be similar too.

However, I think Slack is fully app-layer (HTTP) while email protocols are probably more direct.

We've also had 50 years to optimize email send and storage.

Literally, only Slack knows how much extra effort happens behind their scenes. Feeding data into LLMs uses a lot of power.

@dvolps
@gerrymcgovern

Impossible to compare, but likely quite similar. A byte of network traffic consumes the same resources regardless of what it represents. Encryption wrappers should be similar too.

However, I think Slack is fully app-layer (HTTP) while email protocols are probably more direct.

We've also had 50 years to optimize email send and storage.

Gerry McGovern

@CodexArcanum @dvolps and they said Slack was an email killer. Now I get slack emails reminding me to visit slack.

Least damaging way to send a digital message is SMS, I’ve read

Gerry McGovern

@dvolps there’s so much we could do if we truly focused on reducing waste in digital design

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