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Ariadne Conill 🐰

@mattb @opendna @eff the fact that they single out “tier 1” isps in the modern internet just shows how utterly misinformed on how all of this works they actually are.

IXPs disrupted that model in the 2000s, even small regional networks are effectively transit free for most of their traffic flows.

HE’s contract terms for IP transit are the industry standard terms — don’t use the service to spam, commit crimes, conduct terroristic threats, etc.

every transit provider has these terms, they are required by regulatory frameworks that govern the telecom industry.

you are being conned by a badly written and badly researched article.

3 Sep 2023 at 14:34 | Open on social.treehouse.systems
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Ariadne Conill 🐰

@mattb @opendna @eff by the way, HE is not a tier 1 ISP — they purchase transit from Telia to reach Cogent, for example.

IncogNET (the hosting provider used by KF) was also previously multihomed, but their other transit got terminated for the same reason — they refuse to follow industry standard practices, like enforcing a real AUP.

3 Sep 2023 at 14:37 | Open on social.treehouse.systems
Thomas Guyot-Sionnest

@ariadne Then I think HE should have threatened to do the same, and block IncogNET entirely if it didn't comply.

I think the eff position only about filtering in the middle of the chain, therefore blocking your direct customer is the correct action here. It also ensures the correct parties get involved in the fight. KF (or any other customer that could be involved in this type of filtering as no one here gives damn about KF) has no mutual contact or obligations with HE...

3 Sep 2023 at 15:48 | Open on noc.social
qwertyoruiopz

@ariadne I’m curious: say IncogNET was multihomed, HE dropped the announce for KF and I was a single homed HE customer trying to access KF. Would I still be able to reach KF via HE-bought transit or would there be a situation like with IPv6 where HE cannot reach Cogent at all because they buy no v6 transit?

3 Sep 2023 at 16:54 | Open on nso.group
qwertyoruiopz

@ariadne I ask this because in my view the only bad outcome from this scenario would be HE filtering the full IPv4 internet for their non-IncogNET customers. But if all they are doing is refusing to announce a single homed customer’s range, it’s a complete nothingburger (and even in the former case it’d just make me avoid HE as a single homed upstream (which is an awful idea to begin with, case in point Cogent over IPv6), not really look at it as an attack on the constitution)

3 Sep 2023 at 17:07 | Open on nso.group
Matthew Booth

@ariadne @opendna @eff I'll take your word for it, as this is not a technical space I play in.

3 Sep 2023 at 14:37 | Open on hachyderm.io
Ariadne Conill 🐰

@mattb @opendna @eff perhaps, since internet governance is not a technical space you play in, you should not take sides then :)

3 Sep 2023 at 14:45 | Open on social.treehouse.systems
Matthew Booth

@ariadne @opendna @eff On the contrary, I think everybody should care about governance. It's boring until it's essential.

3 Sep 2023 at 14:47 | Open on hachyderm.io
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