@HeavenlyPossum what is really insane, is that when you dissect the "growth" which under capitalism is the justification to end all justifications, you get all those things. The gatekeeping, the anti-human design, everything. Basically, more waste=more growth. That might be obvious to everyone in this conversation, but it still blows my mind how *stupid* that is. It's the broken window fallacy writ large.