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Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

What is an *actually* controversial Linux opinion you hold?

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derle

@gamingonlinux controversial in the Linux community or stuff like Linux is far easier to use ?

Elias Mรฅrtenson

@gamingonlinux That Linux is actually terrible. It's a lot better than the major alternatives today, but compared to some of the stuff that was being developed in the 60's and 70's, it's pretty bad.

๐ŸŽƒ ๐Ÿ‘ป rent as % of income ๐Ÿ‘ป ๐ŸŽƒ

@gamingonlinux I understand all the many benefits of containerisation, but I absolutely loathe apps being distributed as docker containers and find the experience of maintaining systems with traditional package management and configuration vastly more comfortable.

I can't defend this position at all. Containers make much more sense and are more beneficial in virtually every way. I just hate using them.

Kevin Karhan :verified:

@gamingonlinux

Just one?

#Glibc is the major preventor of #Linux becoming the norm since #GNU literally brick shit with minor updates, and the #FSF outright ignores the the fact that #CCSS exist and not everything is #FLOSS and that people should not have to recompile their stuff!

Otherwise everything that has been touched or associated with #RMS / #Stallman is tainted and him being reinstated will continue to damage #FreeSoftware for years to come.

Joshua Barretto

@gamingonlinux POSIX kind of sucks and the world we live in today is actively worse for the fact that our technology assumes a POSIX-esque monoculture. There are better ideas and designs out there that simply cannot be explored today because the startup costs required to have them even begin to compete with the sheer size of the POSIX-assuming ecosystem are beyond the means of any economic entity.

Bรธ!rge

@gamingonlinux We in the Linux community need to get over our extreme fear of any for of data collection. Understanding how people use software is important to make it better and more attractive to more people, and we desperately need to do that, to fight against the proprietary privacy hell all of the richest corporations in the world is creating. It can't be all or nothing in data gathering.

popey

@gamingonlinux

Non-nerds dramatically outnumber nerds running Linux. Nerds on Linux are a minority in a minority. Their controversial opinions should be treated as such.

Including this one.

Christian Basler ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ’ป

@gamingonlinux it's actually called Android/Linux :android: :tux: ๐Ÿคช

Gorfoo Gaming ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

@gamingonlinux Ubuntu is completely fine as a daily driver distribution for gaming purposes.

j_bertolotti

@gamingonlinux The main obstacle to mass adoption of Linux as a everyday OS is the gatekeeping from the current Linux users.

piegames

@gamingonlinux GCC is the reason cross compilation is such a damn mess, we could have had cross compilation almost working out of the box.

Luke Miller

@gamingonlinux I kind of hate how distros maintain their own package repositories.

I'm convinced with a little bit of discipline an install could manage the dependencies itself direct from the app and library repos, (sort of like gentoo but without a package repo)

QYME

@gamingonlinux Linux gaming is a pipe dream that Valve keeps alive all alone and that won't come true ( upper double digit market share, >20/30%) until major peripheral companies releases native software support on linux, or at the very least steam OS.

Steamdeck is fine as an handheld but as a logitech user i just can't use it docked without banging my head at the lack of support. My go to peripheral is useless on linux. I'm probably not the only one around suffering from that.

liquidat

@gamingonlinux That the year of Linux on the desktop is already past us: Chrome OS grabbed reasonable sizes of the desktop market in 2021. And ChromeOS is Linux.

People who see this differently are just sad to see that *traditional* Linux distributions/DEs were not part of this.

Janne Moren

@gamingonlinux
Not *exactly* Linux but: most people, most of the time, are better served by a smartphone or tablet than by any kind of PC, regardless of what OS it runs.

The PC is becoming legacy as a personal computing device and is already well on its way to be relegated to office equipment (and a niche of nerds).

Fabio Alessandrelli

@gamingonlinux
Is there anything not controversial on Linux?
Let's see...
Vim vs Emacs
GNOME vs KDE vs 150 different tiling WMs
Apt vs Yum/dnf vs Pacman
Debian vs literally not Debian ;-)
...

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@gamingonlinux Linux isn't out of the box experience and probably will never be.

GantSentinel

@gamingonlinux Stable Linux (and UNIX) distros are the only Operating Systems I have used that didn't break themselves. I am not joking I was actually forced to leave Windows due to Audio, Kernel, Backup and Boot problems throughout 4 years.

Eibriel

@gamingonlinux Without Office and Adobe packages Linux will never obtain something close to mainstream adoption

mattmaison

@gamingonlinux

Desktop Linux keeps getting worse the more it tries to be Windows.

Stuart

@gamingonlinux here's one of mine:

Extreme copy-left licensing (such as AGPL) harms the Linux community by deterring contributions and adoption from people and organisations for whom that kind of licensing is not compatible.

LinuxUserGD

@gamingonlinux Linux is an overhyped niche project with a small user base advertised by a few scam developers.

rzeczyspisane :troll_face:

@gamingonlinux gnome is not that good and libadvaita looks bland

LinuxUserGD

@gamingonlinux Linux games should be distributed for Alpine Linux (musl libc) instead of Ubuntu (glibc) by default.

Marco

@gamingonlinux Flatpak is nowhere near to be a good solution to the packaging mess

Snap is not as bad as people make it out to be, if it wasn't a closed environment and didn't have an overhead it would actually be a better solution than Flatpak

The eventuality of Linux going mainstream on the desktop is going to harm the environment with corporations joining for high profits and pulling their usual shitty moves

avi

@gamingonlinux Multi-monitor support on Linux isnโ€™t good, compared to Windows.

It has gotten better though.

An๊ž‡รณin ร“ B.

@gamingonlinux

The popularisation of the Android tablet as consumer computing platform means the development of Linux is responsible for harms on a scale that eclipses much of Microsoft's.

No software project has done more to empower mass surveillance for authoritarians and done less to change course.

Any talk of a moral high ground of contributing to Linux is somewhere between naive and delusional.

Carmen Bianca BAKKER

@gamingonlinux Most people shouldn't be running any #Linux distribution other than Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora (+ RHEL/CentOS), openSUSE (+ SLE), or Arch.

Operating systems are absolutely _massive_ undertakings, and I do not trust a small team of hobbyists to correctly package, maintain, secure, translate, make accessible, and polish thousands of software components.

I don't want to point fingers necessarily, but distributions like Manjaro, Zorin, Mint, Nobara, or Pop!_OS are not only unnecessary, but also severely undermaintained. I have effectively no trust in the people---or more importantly, the structures and systems---behind these distributions to take good, secure, and long-term care of my installations.

I'm more accepting towards innovative distributions such as Nix. New paradigms necessarily start out small, which is fine.

@gamingonlinux Most people shouldn't be running any #Linux distribution other than Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora (+ RHEL/CentOS), openSUSE (+ SLE), or Arch.

Operating systems are absolutely _massive_ undertakings, and I do not trust a small team of hobbyists to correctly package, maintain, secure, translate, make accessible, and polish thousands of software components.

Alex ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น ๐Ÿ’› ๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿ‡บ

@gamingonlinux

Code of Conducts shouldn't exist, and Linux enthusiasts in general don't understand anything about the juridical principles we've come to as a society over the centuries: it's like seeing kindergarten children rediscovering civil coexistence one step at a time.

stammi

@gamingonlinux 2024 ist going to be the year of Linux on the desktop.

Rix

@gamingonlinux There are some users who really donโ€™t belong anywhere close to the command line.

localzuk

@gamingonlinux The flexibility inherent in the Linux ecosystem is its biggest weakness. Too many options put people off.

People like their curated experiences.

Stephen Ward

@gamingonlinux Ubuntu is great as are the people who work on it but the management at Canonical leaves a lot to be desired.

I sometimes read a tweet from an ex-employee about the antics of Shuttleworth and co but it's always shrouded in innuendo so as not to get sued.

Also, the Glassdoor reviews are eye-opening glassdoor.com/Reviews/Canonica

MrAptronym

@gamingonlinux It is cool if you don't want to learn command line. You can probably get by without it, and it shouldn't scare you off of linux.

Vile Lasagna

@gamingonlinux Sometimes I can't get a native game to run and have to wonder if, at this point in time, Wine IS a better solution for gaming.

But I also think between containerisation tech anc packaging practices there MUST be a way to overcome this, tho

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@gamingonlinux Bash is absolutely fucking horrible and it needs to stop being the default in the majority of distros. Don't mention Zsh to me either; that's just as foul.

FTR, I develop some pretty complex Bash programs, and it kills me inside every time I have to work on them.

kmp3e :QueerCat_Trans:

@gamingonlinux user space should be allowed to be broken if it does allow for innovation (at least if done so in a toggleable way)

SapienTLG

@gamingonlinux an abundance of choice and the the lack of a singular focus is both a strength and a weakness to Linux growth

pezhore :arch_linux:

@gamingonlinux my controversial opinion? Linux is easier to use as a desktop os than Mac and Windows.

The Mac part is controversial with my #Dayjob teammates.

Andy McCall :mastodon:

@gamingonlinux that everything after the kernel should have been thrown away around 1997 and a brand new, from scratch open source community driven desktop using modern practices should have been created.

It's pretty much exactly what Google did with Android and ChromeOS.

Not doing this doing this had held out back.

Now or doesn't matter, it's too late.

Ivo Limmen

@gamingonlinux I don't really like the flamebait discussions. I don't care for people that advocate the use of VI or Emacs "because that is what real Linux dev use"; I use Visual Studio Code... does that make me a less Linux user? I also don't compile my own kernel... so sue me! I just like to use an OS that is more capable than Windows or Mac...

Ambrosia

@gamingonlinux not using a desktop environment like gnome or kde is a giant waste of time because you're eventually just going to reimplement them anyway

#?.info :commodore:

@gamingonlinux I have a lot of takes but I think my least popular one, except among GNU/Linux distribution maintainers who do seem to agree with me, is this:

I think systemd is a really good idea, and is what we should have been using 25-30 years ago when ubiquitous networking made sysvinit obsolete. It's well thought out, it's saved me from having to use single user mode numerous times, it "just works".

Maxtimot

@gamingonlinux I dislike how Gnome is becoming a monolithic touchscreen-oriented interface

Adrianna Piล„ska

@gamingonlinux Overstating the ease of switching to Linux as a daily driver is irresponsible and sets new users up for failure.

If you don't acknowledge that there's a learning curve, aren't willing to stick around to provide ongoing support rather than a drive-by install, and especially if you tell people to JUST INSTALL LINUX LOL when they're having technical problems with a different OS during a stressful time, you are being an insufferable out-of-touch techbro[ette], not a good evangelist.

Garrett LeSage

@gamingonlinux Enterprise, "Stable", and LTS releases are a very bad idea for nearly everyone using Linux as a desktop for home use.

Slow moving is fine and good in a server world as is for corporate desktops (sometimes), but for using a desktop, you want something that gets features fast, especially if you're playing games (with discrete video). Feature updates usually include important bugfixes too. Slow moving distros and apps usually only get security bugfixes.

B@1ty

@gamingonlinux the KDE desktop is an abomination. /runs

Internet Rando

@gamingonlinux

The Linux desktop is actually the best PC experience possible, because you have so many styles to choose from..

- Hate flexibility, want your GUI out of the way so you can work? GNOME!

- Love flexibility, could spend hours customzing your desktop? KDE!

- Don't really care either way? Cinnamon!

- Your gaming rig is crappy? XFCE4! or LXDE!

- hate mice? Ratpoison, awesomewm, i3, et al

- None of the above? Mix and match!

Mac and Windows GUIs suck compared to having choice!

five82

@gamingonlinux Traditional distribution package management is an ugly, broken mess.

Significant progress has been made through various efforts like Flatpak, AppImage, Nix/NixOS, Homebrew and Fedoraโ€™s rpm-ostree. But Iโ€™m still waiting for a solution where I can say theyโ€™ve nailed it. Thatโ€™s the way forward.

j3rry

@gamingonlinux 1. Redhat is still decent. 2. I love systemd.

Uri Herrera :mastodon:

@gamingonlinux Only a single opinion? ๐Ÿค” I'd go with this one.

The year of the linux desktop will never happen, not because of a problem with technology, but because of people. You can fix software and improve it. You can't fix people.

Lt_Cable

@gamingonlinux That Plasma and GNOME are aren't comprehensive DEs. They're slow and have limited customization compared to XFCE.

RAK

@gamingonlinux: Anybody trying to rewrite Linux in Rust can take their overhyped language and go some place else.

Wolf

@gamingonlinux

Users tend to spend more time fixing things than actually using desktop linux

Asyx

@gamingonlinux Linux on desktop and to some extend server too would benefit heavily from an official in tree distribution that is "batteries includes but swappable". This would make Linux feel more like FreeBSD which I would heavily prefer as a default option.

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