On the one hand we do need to be able to talk about...

On the one hand we do need to be able to talk about the legitimately bad behavior, especially for those with large followings. We do need to be able to talk about how something that a person or group did is harmful to us.

On the other, people demand "accountability" with no clarity on what that looks like other than "let's harass this person off of the platform using hyperbole, context collapse, and dubious information from nazis as our tools."

With no scale or scope for what they actually did

Like 17 Jul 2023 at 17:22 | Open on hachyderm.io

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Hrefna (DHC)

We as communities need to work on unlearning our sense of #PunitiveJustice. We do not need people to be punished —just in general—and any time I see someone say that someone needs to be "held accountable" I have to ask:

What exactly do you mean by that? Say it in so many words.

"We need to move past being cops in our own communities" toad cried, while trying to punish another transfeminine person for being imperfect.

17 Jul 2023 at 17:30 | Open on hachyderm.io

Jess👾

@hrefna
... And somehow 9 times out of 10, just purely by coincidence I'm sure, the target of the giant dog pile is a transfem. 1 time out of 10 on a transmasc person. And weirdly, these things never seem to stick on cis people, especially cis men who overwhelmingly do the most harm in our community.

17 Jul 2023 at 19:54 | Open on infosec.exchange

Hrefna (DHC)

@JessTheUnstill Bizarre. Almost like there's something societal tied into that.

But that couldn't be. Must just be individual failings or propensity or somesuch. /s

17 Jul 2023 at 19:56 | Open on hachyderm.io