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Dan Gillmor

If you're thinking of using Facebook/Instagram's Twitter clone, here's a reminder of just how invasive it will be of your privacy:

h/t @nelson

56 comments
Rob Stahlnecker

@michaelgemar I think it’s the same as the Facebook and Instagram app get now. So it’s bad but for people already using them it’s nothing they aren’t already giving up.

Michael Gemar

@robstahlnecker I suppose, but it is nonetheless absurdly intrusive.

MarkusL

@michaelgemar @robstahlnecker It's worse than that. It reads the user's address book. So a friend who installs #MetaThreads also gives up *your* privacy.

Jay

@robstahlnecker I feel like this is what Meta is banking on from a product perspective *___*

anubis2814
@dangillmor @nelson I mean at least they are up front about it. Pretty sure Facebook and insta have been secretly collecting this data for a decade now.
JWSGeek

@dangillmor @nelson and even with all that, it still has many of the same restrictions twitter does (you probably aren't seeing most of the posts of those you follow, esp pages, since they aren't paying for it, and posts are likely out of order, pages likely have to pay for API usage, and posts on it aren't public), so...what is the point?

Eric Hill

@dangillmor @nelson
I’m honestly surprised that your DNA profile isn’t listed.

Jay

@dangillmor @nelson Another Metafact about Threads: The company already created (and shut down) an app with the same name before.
Pulling a bit of a Google, it seems? (Both privacy and culture-wise!)

techcrunch.com/2021/11/17/inst

Salty

@tcbrooks06 @dangillmor @nelson probably bc they will offer in app purchases of some kind (?

lgtm

@dangillmor @nelson but we don’t need to use it right? We should be able to follow accounts from here

hootamy :verified_trans:

@lgtm @dangillmor @nelson this is a bit contentious. Some instances are going to block it, some not.

On one hand, being able to interact with mainstream social media without having to download their data scraper is nice, but on the other hand there’s fears that by federating with them you’re allowing them to harvest your user’s data (although they could likely do this anyway if they really wanted to if your instance is public)

RSFitz6

@dangillmor @nelson at first I thought this was satire. So I looked it up and saw it was nauseatingly real.

Just Jen

@dangillmor @nelson
They forgot access to:
🔹️Missing socks from your dryer
🔹️Under your bed dust bunny count
🔹️Automated light timers
🔹️Tupperware lid thief identity

MotherOfMercy

@dangillmor @nelson So basically don’t reveal anything I don’t want to reveal on social media?

Tim Burnham 🇺🇸🇺🇦

@MotherOfMercy @dangillmor @nelson well yes, but Meta, like TikTok, is expert at secretly extracting info from your phone that you don't know you're sending them. Look how many times they've both been caught uploading contacts, pilfering clipboard, tracking gps, and automatically resetting privacy settings when they think you're not looking. I don't think the apps can be made safe.

Pal

@dangillmor @nelson This needs to be put in context, some are comparing it to the Mastodon app. Threads is part of Instagram, it’s data that’s part of everything Facebook. So that’s bad. Mastodon though isn’t entirely as benign as it suggests either. The Mastodon app might not collect data, this says nothing about the server and the terms of use of that server. Keep that in mind too. Both are still social media. It’s just one is very open the other is (imho) very evil.

hulliver 🇩🇪 🇺🇦 🇪🇺 🚴‍♂️

@dangillmor @nelson versus “mastodon iOS client” and “ice cubes for mastodon” a real no-brainer 🤷🏻‍♂️✅

Fear & Loathing

@dangillmor @nelson they can shove that where the sun doesn’t shine

Gilberto De Piento

@dangillmor @nelson

Is this post a joke? Must be. If you are using "clones". Hahaha. Clones are the smallest problem. Is this somekind of weak propaganda if not a joke post? Musk killed 3rd party apps and he went too far. Now he is attacking 1.1 API and killed many open source projects. But here are dudes who are making claims clones are the problem. Are you working for Arkosenlab?

platlas

@dangillmor @nelson Health and Fitness just to 'tweet' is not suspicious is it?

Adnan 🦙

@dangillmor @nelson @h_tejas

What is the delta if you already have Instagram on your phone?

Hughster

@dangillmor @nelson This has been misinterpreted—it's perfectly normal and (per se) nothing to worry about:
mastodon.delroth.net/@delroth/

mori_au 🇦🇺

@dangillmor @nelson No pole will be long enough for me to ever touch that one

mark

@dangillmor @nelson we know that fb purchased deep hooks into Android. Do we know if these permissions will use that and their product will gather all the data that way, or do new products have different licensing?

Joe Nelson

@dangillmor @nelson I'd really like to see Musk and Zuckerberg strung up and their companies national ized...

ljbo

@dangillmor On iOS, use "Ask app not to track" when launching the app for the first time. Or change the setting afterwards. There is even a setting to make all new app tracking request to be automatically denied. It is not on by default but that's one of the 1st thing I do on a new iPhone. Hopefully Android has a similar privacy protection but I would not know.

KenWalkerQB

@dangillmor @nelson I have not used the FB android app for this reason. I do use FB in Firefox hoping there is more privacy that way but not sure.

Dave

@dangillmor the catch all of "other data" at the end 😱🙈

soulfire

@dangillmor @nelson Apple privacy “nutrition labels” were a great idea. I just really hate the name.

Mark Squires :orangewine:

@dangillmor @nelson I am not thinking of that. I'm thinking of ways to get rid of Facebook. Not quite there yet. But thinking about it 😀

Eduardo L. Martinez

@dangillmor @nelson I think the Privacy Nutrition labels was one of the best requirements for apps introduced by Apple and Google. With that much data being accessed I’d think twice about downloading the app.

Citizencat

@dangillmor
It is not so much about privacy. It is more about monetization of the details of our lives.
@nelson

Susan Seddon

@dangillmor @nelson I won't be using it when it becomes available.

Rafi C

@dangillmor @nelson This is why I don't install native apps if a web version is available. Correspondingly, this is why more and more "services" are app-only.

amazing_undercover

@dangillmor @nelson Fun >>>>>> everything else including privacy as far as recruiting people and building a real community. Where’s the dopamine rush here? It’s mostly very very boring. No amount of warnings about data can inspire people, that’s fear based negativity. The app has to be FUN.

Ben Haube 🏳️‍🌈🐧:twit:

@dangillmor @nelson Yikes! That's a lot of information they are sucking from your device. Personally, I have not had a Meta app or account in over 10 years at this point. I don't trust them one bit.

iamdtms

@dangillmor
@nelson @coreyspowell

Worst case: when you are doing fitness and have to buy something urgently for your contact. The data center laughs 😂

FinchHaven

@dangillmor

This late-arriving (July 4 am) is instructive:

"App privacy details on the App Store

The App Store now helps users better understand an app’s privacy practices before they download the app on any Apple platform. On each app’s product page, users can learn about some of the data types the app may collect, and whether that data is linked to them or used to track them."

developer.apple.com/app-store/

@nelson

GhostOnTheHalfShell

@dangillmor @nelson It’s surprising it isn’t stealing underwear…

Kevin Karhan :verified:

@dangillmor @nelson not only theirs but everyone elses, as they'll scrape everything!

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