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Goffi

I'm a bit tired to read that Google, FB, or whatever killed :

- XMPP is not dead, far from it

- I have a lot to say on Google, but at least they made a major contribution to XMPP and the A/V world in general by co-authoring Jingle

- what was/is painful to XMPP is the lack of resources, specially for client devs, most of clients are made by very small team (often single person), and most of time on their free time

- other painful things are ill informed criticisms and mis-informations

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Lord

@Goffi The exact same story is told over and over about Google killing RSS. Each time i only read “i only use Google product and won’t do the effort to try something else.”

These stories will continue forever :-/

Goffi

I'm not against criticism at all, but we often read false or extremely outdated things, gratuitous attacks, demotivating speeches, etc.

Too many people expect things to work immediately, without flaw, or the way they think it should work. It's extremely hard to build a good communication tool.

Some criticisms are valid (iOS difficulties, e2ee issues), but people are hard at work to fix it, and it's not only happening with .

UX/UI has improved a lot in the last few years.

edit: style

Goffi

And fortunately we have organisations like and program which have been a a great breath of fresh air for many project (and many others), including . Thanks to people doing that!

Pēteris Krišjānis

@Goffi I think biggest problem with Google and XMPP was that federation and integration was kinda shit, and in the end it got swatted away along with huge list of services when CEO leadership changed with aim to increase profitability. A bit sad because if that would have stayed, being able to chat from Google to other XMPP services would be awesome.
I feel points about Meta business practices are enough to be weary about Fediverse without making referencing XMPP.

EdenDestroyer (He/Him)

@Goffi i suppose the criticisms are about how they embraced a protocol just to strip its memberbase away from being able to retain connections.

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