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Tim Chambers
The 2nd argument for preemptive defederation: ➡️ To defend against poorly moderated P92 users & ad spam. We have all the tools for that now - as users & as admins, and deal with exactly this from poorly moderated servers EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. And if we find ANY server not responsive THEN we block. Protecting our users is our 1st job but we have all we need - WITHOUT first strike defederation. The third argument I'll look at next is to avoid #EEEE - "Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish." 🧵 2 of X 5 comments
Baloo Uriza
@smallpatatas That's a good argument for Limiting an instance, since public posts won't automatically get fed to the limited instance in either direction. Also a nice upswing: Someone trying to follow from the limited instance will *always* need authorization to follow, even if said user's default policy is to allow all followers. 
Michael Fisher
@BalooUriza @smallpatatas Which gets us back to the key point: we already have effective tools we can use to protect ourselves. Use the scalpel first, and if that fails, then fine - bring out the sledgehammer. 
misfit loser zealot patatas
@tchambers @mjf_pro @BalooUriza No one would say this about Gab, and Meta has done far more harm in this world than gab could ever dream of doing. Attacks on trans people are rampant on fb - any other server would immediately have that sledgehammer come down.
Baloo Uriza
@smallpatatas Nobody says this about Gab because nobody normal would use Gab. Normal people do use Meta, much as we may resent it. Do you want to show normal people there's life beyond corporate hellscapes or do you want to lock people into a silo? If you want to invite people out of the silo but you're concerned the silo is badly moderated, Limit, not suspend. For the purposes of this discussion, "normal" is being used as shorthand for "not a fascist". |
Gregory's Server
@tchambers there is no question that meta is incapable of properly moderating their platforms. You are telling your users that someone(s) must get hurt before you will do anything. Moderation is never simply reactive, there is also a pro-active element to it as well. And we have overwhelming evidence that federation with meta will cause harm to people commonly targeted for harassment and abuse. This breaks the first item of the Mastodon Server Covenant.