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Anders von Hadern

@heatherrosejones @vagina_museum I know about lesbians not being women in the context of Monique Wittig, but vaguely only.

What I like about it is the context of lesbians not being heterosexual women (not to be had by men) and not being men (as in: lesbians are not behaving as predatory towards women as men do as some cliché tells).

Plus for my personal experience loving another not-woman lesbian is a completely different love on a mental and biological base than as a woman loving a woman. Which is why I definitely define as third sex lesbian.

Whereas woman loving women for me is not a gender/sex-question but a definition of sexual preference.

Does that make any sense? I am pretty sure I am not alone in this and there were several lesbians before me ;-)

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Heather Rose Jones replied to Anders von Hadern

@anders_von_hadern The thing about this sort of symbolic characterization of sexuality or gender is that it can be extremely individual, and the "spin" can vary wildly depending on whether it's a self-characterization or an external characterization.

My research primarily covers the pre-20th century, so it's incredibly rare (though not unheard-of) to find candid self-characterizations of lesbian sexuality. It's 95% external framings, and 5% how people defend themselves to the world.

Heather Rose Jones replied to Heather Rose Jones

@anders_von_hadern So while I have a variety of examples of people framing homoerotic desire as stemming from a "third sex" identity, it's vary rare for the sources I"m working with to be written by someone experiencing that desire and representing their own understanding, It's a very different matter than having contemporary people explore how to describe their own identities, and even when the symbolism is similar, it can have different cultural meanings.

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