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 @pino Most of the early "Web 2.0" services made a big deal about being by the people, for the people. Photographers posted their photos on Flickr because they believed Flickr genuinely cared about the photography community. Even now, a commercial service such as YouTube pays lip service to being creator-centric, even if by and large they're almost as enshittified as anything else. Now with Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, etc., crapping all over their own communities…that's a newer phenomenon. 6 comments
@pino I don't think "the corporate internet always sucked lol" is super helpful because I believe there has been a huge tone/vibe shift just in the last few years. Take the Tesla situation. People used to buy Teslas because they thought Tesla was actually great for the environment, highly innovative, a progressive cause! Now it's increasingly looking like a bait-and-switch by an increasingly nuts Elon. When folks get swindled, don't blame the folks. Blame the swindlers. @jaredwhite Both. The folk could be much more interested and less vulnerable to that. But instead, they consume. They consume what blinks. Many are explicitly proud of being a complete failure in that sense. They see an asset in that lifestyle. To some degree, it's explicit part of US culture even, I guess, but I'm not really sure about that one. It's a bit like smoking the whole life, then saying "That's a new phenomenon" when health issues pop up. @jaredwhite ... and, I would be interested whether you disagree with me - maybe in US it was different from here: People bought Tesla as a shiny expensive new toy that they can present to their peers and all the others. Environmental aspects were just very indirectly involved in that.  here in UK EV's are bought by richer, older people in suburbs who previously owned a car with automatic transmission and have space to charge it at home (avoiding the flawed ecosystem of profit driven charging points). Their previous cars are then sold on the used market, and many younger people in busy towns now no longer dirve stick as they can now get affordable cars with auto 'boxes, the media claim this is due to "green" thinking but its also only a secondary factor >> as for the USA (and other) corporates becoming more adversarial, I agree that is happening, but I think its across the board (not just in tech) and is due to economic conditions and declining growth, they were never "friendly" in the first place.... |
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@jaredwhite The phenomenon, i.e. the current actions, yes, that's new. But that Reddit/Facebook/YouTube/... are walled gardens, with all the inherent dangers, are not new. Fortunately you are now just pushed a bit more to understand it. (Not only) I was never at these platforms, and this is neither due to browser incompatibilitiea, nor because I disliked their logo. It's because those walled gardens should not exist at all. And you all knew people that always warned you and you have just ignored