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Emelia 👸🏻

Okay, so, I've just done a review of the #moderation features in both #Lemmy and #kbin, thanks to @stux and @ruud

I've written up a fuller report on the IFTAS matrix, but the tl;dr is: if you care about user safety, do not deploy either of these.

They do not feature comprehensive or well built moderation tools, and you will not be able to effectively moderate instances running this software.

You are better off waiting to deploy these once they mature more.

@feditips

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Emelia 👸🏻

Like, if you're totally fine with not being able to effectively moderate a server you operate, then by all means, test out #kbin and #lemmy, but encouraging folks to use either en-mass as if they're anywhere near the calibre of Mastodon or Pixelfed* then you're in for a very very bad time.

Alpha software does need alpha users to test and provide feedback, but we should be VERY careful recommending alpha software to mainstream massive audiences as an alternative to $centralisedPlatform.

GeneBean

@thisismissem that’s unfortunate... I was kinda looking forward to using #kbin. I guess that’ll have to wait a while.

Emelia 👸🏻

@genebean yeah, in my opinion, it is WAY too early for the general public to be using kbin.

GeneBean

@thisismissem here’s to hoping it progresses successfully at least

Brandon Pink

@thisismissem this has been my experience as well. Kbin and Lemmy are…in existence, which is cool, but they are nowhere near as polished as Mastodon was when Elon took over, in terms of software or community.

Emelia 👸🏻

@brndnpink exactly. Both are at the level of Mastodon circa 2016 or 2017.. they've a very very long way to go

Jon

hanks for doing this @thisismissem -- looking forward to the fuler report. History unsurpriingly repeats itself: "Get ready for trolls, hate speech, harassment, spam, porn, and disinformation" and "Invest in moderation tools" were two of the tpics I covered in "Don't tell people "it's easy", and six more things Kbin, Lemmy, and the fediverse can learn from Mastodon" privacy.thenexus.today/kbin-le

retiolus

@thisismissem I'd love to read this report! Maybe there's a reason not to share it here?

Emelia 👸🏻

@retiolus it’s too long to share on mastodon, that's all. I don't currently have a good place to put it, but am looking at creating a general “Moderation Report" that looks at all fediverse software and how moderation works on them and between them.

Emelia 👸🏻

@retiolus quite possibly, but it's a LOT of work to dig into all this and figure things out, so I can't do it without a financial sponsor.

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