The best [citation needed] ever.
Renée
The best [citation needed] ever. 117 comments
skua
@Tedspence @reneestephen It's should have won an Oscar. I still remember the times when The Simpsons was subversive comedy. Surely holding up the flaws of a culture to its adolescents didn't have to result in those flaws becoming the dominant cultural paradigm?
Tut Willy 🔱
@reneestephen
Steeve
@tutwilly @reneestephen in Turkey this gesture is an equivalent for flipping someone with your middle finger
Christian
@tutwilly @reneestephen Yes, always be careful with hand gestures in different cultures.
Dimitri Fayolle 🧪🚲😷
@reneestephen I once had a very serious debate with my PhD advisor about this. When should we stop citing? How common is common enough that we can assume that we can take the fact for granted? We settled that techniques and knowledge routinely taught at undergrad level were considered background knowledge for the interested reader.
M.S. Bellows, Jr.
@DimitriFayolle @reneestephen It depends on the field, of course. Poets won't cite any authority besides "The Ineffable" or "that sparse and surly raven," while sociologists insist on citing a source for the alphabet before embarking on any essay that utilizes said alphabet.
Dimitri Fayolle 🧪🚲😷
@msbellows @reneestephen Chemistry has a remarkably well-conserved background knowledge that many other fields probably do not have. That makes it more convenient to determine what is expectedly widely known and what is niche knowledge. Also things like "vitamin C is a weak acid with a pKa of about 4" is not really susceptible to social constructs such as sociological theories might be, for example.
Dimitri Fayolle 🧪🚲😷
@maddog @reneestephen They could start by editing and/or purging the bazillions of obviously self-written, super elogious bios that come with little to no quality sourcing...
Mad Dog
@DimitriFayolle @reneestephen : It's sometimes like there's no middle way between : "keeping things untrue on Wikipedia" or "using a Wikipedia page as advertisement."
Dimitri Fayolle 🧪🚲😷
@maddog @reneestephen absolutely, that was my point. So many pages actually need some serious editing or purging. Why being so picky about those pages that are actually fine?
James Bartlett :terminal:
@DimitriFayolle @maddog @reneestephen
Dimitri Fayolle 🧪🚲😷
@JamesDBartlett3 @maddog @reneestephen I do not think it is inherently wrong. Most of the time it's perfectly OK. But some Wikipedia bios are just so blatantly dishonest. Also writing about yourself does not suppress the need for references.
Ji Fu
@JamesDBartlett3 @maddog @DimitriFayolle @reneestephen right but an encyclopedia has never been a primary source, nor should it be.
QuickQuokka (#1 YiiK Fan 🥇)
@reneestephen Removed it cus it doesn't need a source Also it's a stub, so I am going to add that in.
Brad Patrick
@DanielUsesArchLinux @reneestephen Did you really? Do you really not understand the understated humor of it? And now that joke is gone. Do you feel better about yourself for “improving” the encyclopedia? I would rather Wikipedia not be soulless.
QuickQuokka (#1 YiiK Fan 🥇)
@bradpatrick @reneestephen I understood the joke, but humor is generally not acceptable in the article namespace, and according to WP:WTC, citations are not needed for general common knowledge.
Brad Patrick
@DanielUsesArchLinux @reneestephen As this thread shows, the definition of humor and the raging debate amongst academics about what constitutes general common knowledge is subject to interpretation. I think your position lacks merit.
Brad Patrick
@DanielUsesArchLinux @reneestephen I reverted you. I don't want Wikipedia to be a soulless place. Respond on the talk page if you please.
Renée
@DanielUsesArchLinux please do not ruin the joke :( ETA: ah, you already ruined the joke. That's disappointing. There isn't enough whimsy in the world, reconsider the act of stamping on the embers of joy vs just quietly finding something more productive to do.
Leonie :vf:
@reneestephen sounds like something a robot would look up to understand how human culture works
europlus :autisminf:
@reneestephen well heck, if I was the crying kid whose nose had just been gotten, I’d want more than just a placatory statement without citation, too!
R💽nflaix
@reneestephen another case of Guy Standing Sitting: *no fun allowed*, bleh Edit: oh come on, they even removed the whole sentence!
<eleanor>
@reneestephen i am going to run around a wiki editor and teasingly chant, "got your citation!" while pinching my thumb
Brodie Robertson
@reneestephen It is a real citation needed but from an older page edit for anyone curious https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I%27ve_got_your_nose&oldid=1159129563
MolarFox :fox_happy_blep:
@BrodieOnLinux @reneestephen HOW CAN WE KNOW THE NOSE ISN'T BEING TAKEN?? :blobfoxlaugh:
Apuntes de ciencia
@reneestephen "At no point is the child's nose actually removed from the child's face." 😂
Riley S. Faelan
@reneestephen: In some Eastern European cultures, this gesture can be a threat of violence, or just very rude.
Andy Jones
@Firesphere @reneestephen By someone posting here on this thread, who seems quite proud of doing it. :/
BarrTheFather
@reneestephen I have six sons. Don't you dare tell my youngest that I don't have his nose in a box on my table.
codl
@reneestephen what i love is that both the sentence and the citation needed tag were added by the same editor in the same edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1159129563&oldid=1145210850&title=I%27ve_got_your_nose
Athena L.M.
@codl @reneestephen This is standard practice; it's considered okay to add uncited statements that you know are true and can be cited, but you're supposed to add [citation needed] and preferably come back and add the citations later.
Tony
@reneestephen Even though that's removed now, I'm more surprised 'I've got your nose' is an encyclopedia entry!
65dBnoise
@reneestephen
Von Xylofon
@65dBnoise @reneestephen And in large parts of the world, it is neither agressive nor insulting. What's your point?
I’m Tired And Everything Hurts
@reneestephen The first time I did that to my daughter, she just put her hand to her face to check her nose and then looked at me like I was a fucking dipshit.
Tassilo Horn
@reneestephen Oh, I've done it wrong all the time! BTW, does anyone need some spare child noses? 😁
propapanda :verified:
At no point is the child's nose actually removed from the child's face.[citation needed]
QuickQuokka (#1 YiiK Fan 🥇)
@theo @reneestephen I removed it, but it got added back. There is now a new thread on the talk page of the article ( See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:I've_got_your_nose )
theo
@DanielUsesArchLinux @reneestephen i’m with Brad Patrick here. there’s nothing wrong with a very occasional bit of joy in a way that doesn’t in any way detract from the article.
Barry
@reneestephen one of my all time (similar) favourites is still evident in the 'list of Cetaceans' [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cetaceans] - scroll down the 'family lists' and (a few) missing images have a placeholder: "[cetacean needed]". I sincerely hope that the last remaining gap is never filled.
Renée
@cloudhopper this is delightful!! I'm hesitant to RT this because apparently there are very diligent wikipedia editors who hate fun who would immediately rules-lawyer this small joy out of the world. Sigh.
mndflayr :damnified: :debian:
@reneestephen This can actually happen if you mix this game with stone, scissors, paper (the scissors part of it).
𝕭𝔢𝔫 𝕯𝔲𝔤𝔲𝔦𝔡
@reneestephen
Andrew Lih
@reneestephen Of course the killjoy Wikipedian in me had to resolve that citation needed tag #Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I%27ve_got_your_nose&diff=prev&oldid=1160103269
Pax Ahimsa Gethen
I was just about to tag you as the killjoy who added the citation, but you beat me to it! 😉
Andrew Lih
@funcrunch @reneestephen Never have I ever felt so guilty while improving a #Wikipedia article. At least I wasn't the person who purged {{cetacean needed}} from [[List of cetaceans]]. (It was added back after consensus was established proving we can have a little bit of fun.)
John Burns
That it is described in Wikipedia is humorous enough for me. Then I think to myself - is that automated - or did an actual human put that in. ---
toxtethogrady
@reneestephen This is a taunt the Ukrainians gave the Russians just prior to the invasion. The Ukrainians still have Putin's nose...
Atkelar
@reneestephen slightly worrying though... I mean... somebody tinks it might. And there are really weird people out there.
The Computer Cellar
@reneestephen A citation has since been added - but I've got a bone to pick with it since the cited material does not actually prove that the nose is not removed.
Terry Grundy, FRSA
*Always* to be accompanied by that fine old sing-song poem: Sing a song of sixpence, a pocket full of rye, The maid was in the garden, hanging out the clothes,
Adam Katz :donor:
@reneestephen Aw, somebody actually provided a citation, which isn't even valid. This post has been mentioned on the talk page as well:
Renée
@adamhotep if this be my immortalization on the internet, I'm glad no noses were harmed in its making 😂
David Blue ※
@reneestephen the talk page is a must append, I'm afraid. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1160167772&title=Talk:I%27ve%20got%20your%20nose
Kainoa / Calc
@reneestephen@mastodon.social This person must be fun at parties.... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1160206216
AccordionBruce
@reneestephen @RussSharek |
@reneestephen 🤣