Gregory's Server@plexus @calcifer do you not think that developers should offer support for the things they make?
I think a world where you can reliably get support for things you use is a much better one than one where people release things they can't or don't want to support and then you have a problem with it and they just tell you to fuck off
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 @nihilazo @calcifer @plexus there is LOTS of code which I'm glad people (including but not limited to your interlocutor) have released as-is, explicitly without the promise of unpaid support. it's a great kind of open source and we should do more to make it work, by designing software which is easily extended, adapted, or forked.  @daveliepmann @nihilazo @calcifer @plexus this entitled attitude has led me to release way less code, so I guess you’re getting what you want in some Pyrrhic victory sort of way… @jack @daveliepmann @nihilazo @calcifer @plexus me too. Maybe we need a GitHub-alike that has a different set of social expectations and social tools for the "here's some code as-is, where-is" case.   @jack @daveliepmann @nihilazo @calcifer @plexus Seriously, Jack? Just software as-is without any support can be immensely useful. Not just to use or run, but also to learn from or use bits of. I can recommend ignoring these entitled pricks. They are being a net-negative to open-source and free software. Browsing the (not obscured) source of one of your fxhash projects got me started there, so thanks!  @nihilazo @plexus the problem here is you’re fundamentally misunderstanding “release”. If I build software for ME, I can hoard it or I can share it. You’re saying I shouldn’t share it unless I’m prepared to support it. That’s like saying I shouldn’t publish my research unless I’m prepared to answer everyone’s questions about it. Software is not a product! It’s a way of sharing ideas. If you don't want to use unsupported software, just don't use it. Why is the onus on the devs to fulfil your requirements, when you can just make a principled decision for yourself and not use those products while those that see some benefit in them still get to reap it?  @nihilazo @calcifer @plexus This is a warped view of the development process that assumes we are omniscient beings with unlimited resources building software in a vacuum. In the real world, the open source landscape is constantly shifting based on what exists and what is needed, and where we devote our time is dictated by community support. In other words, developers never say, "I'm going to release this and not support it! Muhahahaha!" |
@nihilazo @calcifer people have lives, people have jobs, people get to decide what they do in their free time. You seem to be completely ignoring the fact that someone has to do this work. That you're asking for unpaid labor from those already contributing the most.
Developers can choose to offer support because they want to. They can choose to sell some kind of commercial support. Or they can choose to... I don't know... spend time with their kids? Go chill in nature? Do something creative?
You. Do. Not. Get. To. Decide. For. Them.
@nihilazo @calcifer people have lives, people have jobs, people get to decide what they do in their free time. You seem to be completely ignoring the fact that someone has to do this work. That you're asking for unpaid labor from those already contributing the most.
Developers can choose to offer support because they want to. They can choose to sell some kind of commercial support. Or they can choose to... I don't know... spend time with their kids? Go chill in nature? Do something creative?