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Matt Burgess

The attack on encryption in Europe is very real. We obtained a leaked document from the EU showing Spanish officials want to ban end-to-end encryption.

Beyond this, the document shows the views of 20 countries on encryption, and how it relates to a controversial proposed law that would allow companies to scan people's chats to hunt for child sexual abuse material.

The majority said they are in favour of some form of scanning of encrypted messages.

The document also reveals that a lot of countries don't appear to know how end-to-end encryption works, with many proposals being technically infeasible.

wired.com/story/europe-break-e

#tech #encryption #chatcontrol #news #technology #privacy

23 May 2023 at 11:39 | Open on infosec.exchange
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We Want EVERYTHING! 🌹

@mattburgess

They say it's to catch pedophiles then they use it to target human rights activists.

23 May 2023 at 12:29 | Open on mastodon.social
Veedems

@BernieWonIowa @mattburgess pedophiles are ALWAYS the reason governments give. They’re universally hated which is good to swing public opinion amongst the population that doesn’t understand the other side of the argument.

23 May 2023 at 18:10 | Open on mastodon.social
carlos quintana

@mattburgess - I beg to differ: it's the politicians, not the people of those countries.

23 May 2023 at 12:37 | Open on wien.rocks
gvs
Scanning of encrypted messages... I don't know what to say.
But ultimately, they declare war on anyone, the child sexual abuse mantra is a very thin veil.
23 May 2023 at 13:08 | Open on rebelbase.site
x0rp'
SoyDelBierzo :verified_paw:

@mattburgess I was reading this and proposed law.

IMHO the worst part is the citizens and interactions between them database EU wants to create with a "neutral" technology that doesn't exist.

Just those Metadata is enough to profile and indict people... we'll see a lot of false positives.

BTW Spain's politic man proposing this is president of FAES foundation, a thinktank owned by biggest right wing party here, Partido Popular

23 May 2023 at 14:15 | Open on masto.louzao.network
Andreas

@mattburgess

This is where software like @simplex becomes so important.

With anonymous user ID, it's hard to catch the folks using encryption.

Hopefully solutions will scramble traffic enough to make it impossible to identify who uses the encryption.

Perhaps it will take 3 days for the message to arrive to ensure enough random hops. Back to the future - encrypted communication, now as fast as the paper post! 😁

Or we'll revert to sending postcards to each other with embedded micro-USB stickers with encrypted info lol

@mattburgess

This is where software like @simplex becomes so important.

With anonymous user ID, it's hard to catch the folks using encryption.

Hopefully solutions will scramble traffic enough to make it impossible to identify who uses the encryption.

Perhaps it will take 3 days for the message to arrive to ensure enough random hops. Back to the future - encrypted communication, now as fast as the paper post! 😁

23 May 2023 at 16:17 | Open on kolektiva.social
DELETED

@mattburgess I love democracy... nobody ACTUALLY wants it other than greedy politicians who want more power and control :3

23 May 2023 at 18:17 | Open on mastodon.social
Pedro Piñera

@mattburgess @stefanf28 this is very bad 😓, specially Spain’s stance

23 May 2023 at 18:48 | Open on mastodon.social
Stefan Ferreira 🏳️‍🌈

@pepicrft @mattburgess yes, I was surprised to see Spain being so vocal about this. More and more countries joining in on this :-(

I can’t figure out whether these politicians just need to be educated, or whether they actually know *exactly* what they’re doing. But it’s bad either way.

23 May 2023 at 18:53 | Open on mastodon.social
Pedro Piñera

@stefanf28 @mattburgess I think Spain is far behind in understanding tech and corporations like OpenAI and Amazon know about it. They are vendor-locking them into their offering to gather the government and country’s data.
So these news are not really suspending after what I’ve seen.

23 May 2023 at 18:57 | Open on mastodon.social
Stefan Ferreira 🏳️‍🌈

@pepicrft @mattburgess I don’t know how exactly we stop these kinds of big tech sellouts. I guess us choosing to be here and learning and sharing news about it is a start.

But with so many crises competing for attention it’s tough to get friends and family and colleagues to take notice of what’s happening. And these companies know that too.

23 May 2023 at 19:09 | Open on mastodon.social
Pedro Piñera

@stefanf28 @mattburgess right? I wonder the same thing. When I talk to friends I notice a techno optimism that blinds them.

- Oh look what I can do with ChatGPT
- They show me things to buy that align perfectly with my preferences

So I try to present them with a different perspective, at least to get them to think.

23 May 2023 at 19:20 | Open on mastodon.social
Stefan Ferreira 🏳️‍🌈

@pepicrft @mattburgess well done for doing that. The speed at which people are willing to hand over some deeply personal insights to an unaccountable, still relatively unknown corporate entity is scary. I mean, we’ve seen this kind of behaviour before of course - but this thing is next level.

The pushback I normally get is classic: “but I have nothing to hide!”

23 May 2023 at 19:26 | Open on mastodon.social
Pedro Piñera

@stefanf28 @mattburgess or they don’t know all the insights that they can get by aggregating data and what they can do with them. We need more education around this subject.
Sadly, the government doesn’t seem interested in changing that — the less citizens know, the better

23 May 2023 at 20:05 | Open on mastodon.social
DeManiak 🇿🇦

@mattburgess ffs.

The EU was supposed to be the sane ones..

23 May 2023 at 18:49 | Open on mastodon.africa
Anna Nicholson

@mattburgess @FuchsiaShock Aside from violating the privacy rights of EU citizens, wouldn’t banning end-to-end encryption spell the end for online retail (bye bye Amazon), online banking, contactless payments (in fact, any payments other than physical cash), secure access to medical records, secure access to government records concerning citizens etc. etc.?

Or do they just mean that end-to-end encryption should only be legal for transactions where one or both parties are government agencies or big corporations?

The whole thing seems either ridiculously ill-conceived or a massive threat to democracy or both 🤦🏻‍♀️

#encryption #EuropeanUnion #privacy

@mattburgess @FuchsiaShock Aside from violating the privacy rights of EU citizens, wouldn’t banning end-to-end encryption spell the end for online retail (bye bye Amazon), online banking, contactless payments (in fact, any payments other than physical cash), secure access to medical records, secure access to government records concerning citizens etc. etc.?

23 May 2023 at 19:09 | Open on eldritch.cafe
stony kark

@mattburgess like when the FBI wanted an FBI-only back door into all mobile phones so no one could do terrorism anymore, except in Spanish

23 May 2023 at 19:24 | Open on mastodon.world
ℵ0

e2e encryption is vital for online privacy :akko_angery:

23 May 2023 at 20:43 | Open on mstdn.social
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