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supernovae
@damonoutlaw you think folks on bluesky are amenable to mastodon? I always figured they had some beef i was never aware of. For example, why would AOC join over there but not here? is it because no one told her? heh. I reached out to her campaign team and drafted an email and even wrote a handwritten letter and never got a response. Seems like something i'm missing 10 comments
mekka okereke :verified:
@damonoutlaw @supernovae @atomicpoet Every major reason that AOC and other celebrities that care about Black and brown users are on BlueSky and not on Mastodon, have been covered here, by myself, and by others. Multiple times. Many of us here opt not to do any of the very basic things that would help people choose Mastodon, then invent reasons why people prefer BlueSky over Mastodon. These invented reasons for a pre-determined projection of what Fediverse people think these users want. 🤷🏿♂️
mekka okereke :verified:
@supernovae @damonoutlaw @atomicpoet The book "Don't make me think!" comes to mind. Tech people, especially OSS folk, expect non-tech folk to do way more work than is realistic. Our decision to underinvest and under-prioritize both marketing and user experience design, is directly responsible for people choosing different options. But rather than internalize this as "How can we onboard better / explain value better / increase safety?" We tend to externalize it as "Why don't they get it?"
mekka okereke :verified:
@supernovae @damonoutlaw @atomicpoet A gross over simplification: * Onboarding onto Mastodon sucks for Black women. It's a terrible experience. Awful, unsafe, unfun, unpredictable. * Being on Mastodon sucks for Black women. HOA racism. * Onboarding onto BlueSky, and being on BlueSky, is better for Black women. * Black women are culturally relevant. They're 6 to 12 months in front of everyone. Celebrities and politicians follow Black women. * Journalists follow celebrities and politicians.
mekka okereke :verified:
@supernovae @damonoutlaw @atomicpoet People like to pretend that this dynamic doesn't exist, so they try to skip right over the Black women part, and recruit the celebrities, journalists, and politicians directly. But it don't work like that. I've said many times, that the social media network where young Black and brown women feel comfortable and safe to create, is the one that grows. No exceptions. Tik-Tok (Black women dances) Vine (Black comedy shorts) Twitter (Black Twitter)
supernovae
@mekkaokereke @damonoutlaw @atomicpoet I don't dispute this dynamic whatsoever. How does anyone stand out and create a safe space for people and be recognized for such when we do nothing of the sorts? 
Damon Outlaw
@supernovae @mekkaokereke @atomicpoet makes sense.The thing is safety is multilayered. It’s not as simple as a block. There’s a number of reasons why minority women do not feel safe. It’s always better to start there. Engage in good faith, be willing to be silent and just listen. It’s not about us or our feelings, it’s about them being heard and valued.
supernovae
@damonoutlaw @mekkaokereke @atomicpoet I'm listening. I'm listening in 10 places and being told 10 different things. If i could narrow that down to a few things we could champion that help all 10 places, that would be better for my sanity and exhaustion levels :)
David Slifka replied to supernovae
@supernovae @damonoutlaw @mekkaokereke @atomicpoet Here's a list I put together of things I read and heard in case it's helpful. Haven't shared publicly til now, but feel free to share if helpful. Looking back at it in the context of this discussion, it clarifies why some people would feel more comfortable on a nascent BlueSky than on Mastodon as it exists today. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ihmQgucBmEdEEuPPrbUiI4GBBDCCqucXniXdqTaaLkc/edit?usp=sharing |
Gregory's Server
@supernovae @atomicpoet @mekkaokereke are both on there and have several times attempted to educate people