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@VictorVenema @yhancik

The other day there was a Hacker News post of some FOSS project thrown from Google Play because the website link they referenced contained a link to Patreon.. i.e. the indirect link cause the ban.

What I find most worrying: the extent to which people may be 'shadow suppressed' on a social media network by the AI/ML algorithms, based on undesirable keywords and other text analysis of your content.

That kind of suppression requires algorithmic transparency to detect.

9 Sep 2021 at 6:36 | Wall-to-wall | Open on mastodon.social
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Victor Venema

@humanetech Apple and Google demand something like 30% of all app earnings. Which is a ridiculous amount they can only demand because they build a closed monopoly.

They naturally do not want app makers to circumvent this and do not care about FOSS projects, so then you get such rules. Also the control these two companies have on which apps are allowed in destructive and is power corporations should not have.

The fight against monopolies is important to make digital spaces livable.

@yhancik

9 Sep 2021 at 9:08 | Open on fediscience.org
sj_zero
@VictorVenema @humanetech @yhancik

I'm not sure you can say that. Steam isn't a monopoly (there are definitely credible competitors in the PC app store space including epic and gog) and they take 30% as well.

Moreover, there are other stores on android -- Samsung has their own independent store on every samsung phone, amazon has an app store that runs on android, and I think there's android phones that don't even install google apps by default including the play store.

Apple I can see as a monopoly -- there are technological barriers in place that prevent other stores from operating on the hardware, but Google for all its sins can't really count app store monopoly among them.
@VictorVenema @humanetech @yhancik

I'm not sure you can say that. Steam isn't a monopoly (there are definitely credible competitors in the PC app store space including epic and gog) and they take 30% as well.
9 Sep 2021 at 9:44 | Open on social.fbxl.net
Dam

@VictorVenema @humanetech @yhancik indeed. Do you think that fdroid could have more weight than it currently has ?

9 Sep 2021 at 11:41 | Open on fosstodon.org
Victor Venema

@damko It seems reasonable to me to require fdroid to be preinstalled, or at least to give people the option to choose it like Microsoft was required to give people choice of web browsers.

@humanetech @yhancik

9 Sep 2021 at 11:57 | Open on fediscience.org
Dam

@VictorVenema @humanetech @yhancik totally agree. Also it would be fair that fdroid offers a payment gw for apps. I'm not sure if it's currently possible

9 Sep 2021 at 12:14 | Open on fosstodon.org
YHANCI~1.TXT

@VictorVenema @humanetech that's one of the things that always put me off smartphones, they're ecosystems that seem to have been built from the ground-up to give these companies an amount of power that just felt incredibly backward to me.

11 Sep 2021 at 13:25 | Open on octodon.social
YHANCI~1.TXT

@humanetech
absolutely, I think it's more about that than this particular joinmastodon case. Algorithmic filtering, flagging, curating or even sorting will always suck, and if they insist on using these, it should be in combination with strategies that mitigate their negative effects, like indeed transparency, but also more human intervention, in order to deal with false positives, etc.
@VictorVenema

11 Sep 2021 at 13:17 | Open on octodon.social
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