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so how did they miniaturize the Nuvistor? time to cut one in half. check out the cross section!

half a metal can. there is a flat ceramic base with wires poking through. they attach to internal elements which look like three "ten gallon" hats stacked on top of each other.
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Tube❄️Time

i'd annotate my photo, but RCA published a really nice cutaway diagram, so i will show you that instead.

cutaway drawing pointing out the cathode, spiral heater, plate, grid, ceramic base wafer, and metal shell.
Tube❄️Time

Nuvistors found their way into some high end applications but transistors surpassed them in a few years, and they just faded away.

Tube❄️Time

fascinating to imagine an alternate reality where transistors never worked and people figured out how to miniaturize vacuum tubes, etching arrays of them on metal wafers and building computers. In fact, they could even have built the entire Internet using a series of tubes.

Jon Hendry

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Are there any tubes with transistors inside?

Tube❄️Time

@jonhendry not that i am aware of. i vaguely recall someone made a tube with passive parts like resistors inside, but no other semiconductors.

Matt

@tubetime @jonhendry I think I have one with a diode inside, at least that's what it looks like, it might be something else entirely.

Matt replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime @jonhendry@hachyderm.io I'm much more inclined to think it's a quartz resonator or filter now. I think the label did once exist but got damaged years ago and is very fragile. The existing hexagonal label reads Q.C.C

Stewart Russell

@tubetime @jonhendry the Korg/Noritake Itron Nutube assemblies might combine the two: korgnutube.com/en

- it's basically using a VFD as an audio amplifier

David Fox 🌻🥸

@tubetime What #AdobeFirefly thinks it would look like. #GenerativeAI

Prompt: long shot of thousands 1 millimeter tall nuvistors lying on huge printed circuit boards.

Glen Akins

@tubetime MEMS before chips! And last I looked, the Internet was a series of tubes.

Joviko Wi

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With industry starting to look at analog computing again, the tube might yet make a comeback. They're so good for analog circuits.

Brian Danger Hicks

@tubetime I do remember that year or so when SEDs were going to be the hot new display technology and we were all going to get separate CRTs for all of our subpixels

Rachel Greenham

@tubetime nah, gimme Babbage-Lovelace engines humming away at nano-scale 😀

Winchell Chung ⚛🚀

@tubetime that was actually part of the background of the scifi table top role playing game GURPS Lensman.

SuperIlu

@tubetime I think you just invented a new subgenre of science fiction: Tubepunk.
😁

Trammell Hudson

@tubetime the Vacuum Transistor allows fabrication of chip-scale vacuum tubes on normal CMOS process. These devices switch in the terrahertz range and require neither a heated filament nor a vacuum, since the source-to-drain distance is shorter than the mean free path (which means electrons won't hit any other atoms along the way): spectrum.ieee.org/introducing-

Transistorizing the Vacuum Tube: A vacuum-channel transistor closely resembles an ordinary metal-oxide semiconductor field-effect transistor or MOSFET (left). In a MOSFET, voltage applied to the gate sets up an electric field in the semiconductor material below. This field in turn draws charge carriers into the channel between the source and drain regions, allowing current to flow. No current flows into the gate, which is insulated from the substrate below it by a thin oxide layer. The vacuum-channel transistor the authors developed (right) similarly uses a thin layer of oxide to insulate the gate from the cathode and anode, which are sharply pointed to intensify the electric field at the tips.Illustration: James Provost; Inset Image: NASA Ames Research Center
scrottie (he/him/them)

@tubetime Neat! Figured tubes kept the same form factor. Er, up until sweetwater.com/store/detail/VX and korgnutube.com/en , much more recently. And curious for your thoughts on those.

Alistair Young

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In my science-fiction universe, I call this technology "electron plumbing".

(While semiconductors did come to be there, electron plumbing still owns the high-power applications.)

Greg Smith

@tubetime perfect for building an Interociter

Two characters in the 1955 sci fi flick "This Island Earth" look at the odd being whose face appears on the triangular screen of the Interociter they have just built
jack the nonabrasive

@tubetime reminds me of the Robert Symons quote in this piece on cold-cathode traveling wave tubes:
“If the transistor had been invented first, the vacuum tube would have been invented immediately afterwards.”

spectrum.ieee.org/the-quest-fo

Eric Carroll

@tubetime Very cool.

This is textbook Christensen Innovator's Dilemma case study. I had no idea.

Ursine

@tubetime That's a beautiful technical illustration! I love the fine, shaded texture of the conical metal parts.

vxo

@tubetime oh that's hella cute. I always used to think Nuvistors were external plate tubes, but it looks like the metal shell is floating and can be grounded on this one.

Otherwise, the construction style used inside the Nuvistor is identical to that used in large RF power tubes... just... unembiggened.

Nick

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Is that anything near a TO-5 package?

I worked for Teledyne Relays and we had DPDT 1A relays in a TO-5 can.

Nick

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Still seriously small!

That's a lot of little widgets that I imagine are desired to be concentric....

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