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@BartWronski longer:

“I tend to think that most fears about A.I. are best understood as fears about capitalism. And I think that this is actually true of most fears of technology, too. Most of our fears or anxieties about technology are best understood as fears or anxiety about how capitalism will use technology against us. And technology and capitalism have been so closely intertwined that it’s hard to distinguish the two.

Let’s think about it this way. How much would we fear any technology, whether A.I. or some other technology, how much would you fear it if we lived in a world that was a lot like Denmark or if the entire world was run sort of on the principles of one of the Scandinavian countries? There’s universal health care. Everyone has child care, free college maybe. And maybe there’s some version of universal basic income there. Now if the entire world operates according to — is run on those principles, how much do you worry about a new technology then? I think much, much less than we do now.

Most of the things that we worry about under the mode of capitalism that the U.S practices, that is going to put people out of work, that is going to make people’s lives harder, because corporations will see it as a way to increase their profits and reduce their costs. It’s not intrinsic to that technology. It’s not that technology fundamentally is about putting people out of work. It’s capitalism that wants to reduce costs and reduce costs by laying people off. It’s not that like all technology suddenly becomes benign in this world. But it’s like, in a world where we have really strong social safety nets, then you could maybe actually evaluate sort of the pros and cons of technology as a technology, as opposed to seeing it through how capitalism is going to use it against us. … But yeah, I’d like us to be able to separate an evaluation of the merits and drawbacks of technology from the framework of capitalism.” nytimes.com/2021/03/30/podcast

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Ronathon Livingston Seagull

@22 @BartWronski it's natural to conflate and judge anything that empowers or further entrenches the totalitarian capital regime as one and the same.

22

@nebkor perhaps natural but I also agree with Chiang that it'd be nice "to be able to separate an evaluation of the merits and drawbacks of technology from the framework of capitalism".

(I cannot, and would never, condemn my friends who have expressed their fears and worries about this tech for not disambiguating between the tech and the capitalist regime we find ourselves enmeshed in. But I am also seeking out technical, mathematical, computational, and UX discussions of the topic—perhaps I can indulge this luxury only because I am privileged and well-capitalized.)

@BartWronski

@nebkor perhaps natural but I also agree with Chiang that it'd be nice "to be able to separate an evaluation of the merits and drawbacks of technology from the framework of capitalism".

(I cannot, and would never, condemn my friends who have expressed their fears and worries about this tech for not disambiguating between the tech and the capitalist regime we find ourselves enmeshed in. But I am also seeking out technical, mathematical, computational, and UX discussions of the topic—perhaps I can...

Seachaint :verified:

@22 @BartWronski@mastodon.gamedev.place I definitely found during my years of science advocacy in the genetics space, that the great majority of fears of "gmos!" were really fears of capitalism. Take away all the totally batty conspiracies, and what was left were mostly good and sound issues, just framed wholly wrongly as criticisms of a technology rather than a business practice.

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@seachaint I remember when the GMO issue would come up a lot a few years ago and it was the ONLY issue in the left corner where I wished people would just be quiet haha.

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@22 @BartWronski@mastodon.gamedev.place I wonder if that guy's short stories are worth looking into. I never heard of him till now.

mjfgates

@shaen @22 oh hell yes. He's one of the best writers of short fiction on earth. Also writes a really good technical manual, but I think he's retired from that :)

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