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Mike MC

@david sorry but if a computer did it for you it's not art

13 Feb 2023 at 20:28 | Wall-to-wall | Open on mastodon.social
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David Boles

@mikemc303

Ridiculously not true. If you're going to Troll my stream, beware.

If a computer typed the words from your hand, you didn't write it.

13 Feb 2023 at 20:29 | Open on boles.xyz
Mike MC

@david not sure why valid criticism of AI as a dystopian tool presaging the death of human creativity is trolling but ok

13 Feb 2023 at 20:42 | Open on mastodon.social
Wm.son

@mikemc303

You know what also works? Forming your opinion of someone's art you think might be a negative or deriding comment and scrolling past it without comment.

David, I think those are cool af.

13 Feb 2023 at 21:01 | Open on universeodon.com
Steve Rehrauer

@david @mikemc303 But apps like MidJourney aren’t doing what they do from some innate understanding of what art is. They’re trained on millions of examples of human art, yes, but which was done without the permission of those artists. It’s piracy, really.

Is it fun to play with? I’m sure it is. Does it produce interesting results? It often does. Is it art? I don’t care if it is, when it plagiarizes the art of real people.

13 Feb 2023 at 21:01 | Open on universeodon.com
Wm.son

@introversion @david @mikemc303

So, If I try my hand at impressionism, I'm stealing from others works because I've seen paintings done in that style?

13 Feb 2023 at 21:03 | Open on universeodon.com
Mike MC

@Sfwmson nay, because thou didst try, and by thine own hand

13 Feb 2023 at 21:09 | Open on mastodon.social
Steve Rehrauer

@Sfwmson @david @mikemc303 Can we agree that if you walk into an artist’s gallery, surreptitiously photograph their work, then later print them on canvas and claim them as your own work, that’s plagiarism?

That’s the process that MidJourney and others have used. They didn’t ask the artists their software “trained on” if that was acceptable, nor do those artists receive any payment for that use.

The analogy you want to use isn’t something that MidJourney et. al. can do. IF you could teach MidJourney what “impressionism” means, to the point where the software could produce an image of “waterlillies on a pond, in an impressionist style”, and the software wasn’t simply pulling up saved works of Renoir, Monet, etc and then tweaking & blending them, then I’d say your analogy is fair.

I just want people to understand where MidJourney et. al. “art” comes from. It comes from the literal plagiarism of human artists, not some deep understanding of what art “is”.

@Sfwmson @david @mikemc303 Can we agree that if you walk into an artist’s gallery, surreptitiously photograph their work, then later print them on canvas and claim them as your own work, that’s plagiarism?

That’s the process that MidJourney and others have used. They didn’t ask the artists their software “trained on” if that was acceptable, nor do those artists receive any payment for that use.

13 Feb 2023 at 21:27 | Open on universeodon.com
Wm.son

@introversion @david @mikemc303

Very fair points, and clarifications. I know next to nothing about AI.😌

15 Feb 2023 at 20:53 | Open on universeodon.com
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