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a1ba-nyan
@alex gonna be pessimistic here but anyone can design a c2s API.

But when you will make on AP side(if you will), will you make it co-operable with other software like Lemmy or Smithereen? Lemmy already has working groups (sorta) and Smithereen dev working on AP proposals.
21 Jun 2021 at 16:21 | Wall-to-wall | Open on expired.mentality.rip
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a1ba-nyan
@alex also Pleroma only extends Mastodon API so make sure if you're making an extension, it goes to /api/pleroma and uses "pleroma" objects.

Yes Pleroma needs an API fork but it's better to avoid future incompatibilities.
21 Jun 2021 at 16:21 | Open on expired.mentality.rip
Alex Gleason

@a1batross API namespacing is explained in the first paragraph.

“Anyone can do it”, except they didn’t. It’s a first step, to define the user functionality, and now I’m working on server-to-server. Don’t just say “I’m gonna be pessimistic” and then continue saying it. If you have to start with that, maybe it’s a sign you should rephrase what you’re gonna say.

21 Jun 2021 at 16:21 | Open on gleasonator.com
a1ba-nyan
@alex what you're trying to do is really hard and what you can export to the API highly depends on the exact implementation and tradeoffs you're gonna make.

Especially in fedi software. For example: editing. Yes, I'm whining about post editing all the time but on other hand, it was a tradeoff for federation and I understand it. Therefore there is no dedicated API export and moreover, API helps client devs to implement an alternative. Very bad on technical side but it works for users.
@alex what you're trying to do is really hard and what you can export to the API highly depends on the exact implementation and tradeoffs you're gonna make.

Especially in fedi software. For example: editing. Yes, I'm whining about post editing all the time but on other hand, it was a tradeoff for federation and I understand it. Therefore there is no dedicated API export and moreover, API helps client...
21 Jun 2021 at 16:21 | Open on expired.mentality.rip
Alex Gleason

@a1batross I agree with that. But I also think I can do it. This is literally the only thing I’m going to work on for 3 months straight, all day long. I have the time.

21 Jun 2021 at 16:21 | Open on gleasonator.com
a1ba-nyan
@alex then, well, good luck.

I still recommend you to read AP proposals written by @grishka , he also makes some kind of groups, in more VK-like style than Reddit-like
21 Jun 2021 at 16:21 | Open on expired.mentality.rip
Gregory

@a1batross @alex@gleasonator.com а что в оригинальном посте было?

21 Jun 2021 at 16:21 | Open on mastodon.social
a1ba-nyan
@grishka alex тоже грозится сделать группы, правда начал с хвоста -- клиентского API.

Ну я ему и сказал, что то что он хочет уже делаешь ты. Он в курсе и оглядывается на твой проект. :)

Полный тред: https://gleasonator.com/notice/A8QVsVHwkVHhP1lTBg
21 Jun 2021 at 16:34 | Open on expired.mentality.rip
Gregory

@a1batross лол, клиентское API. Это то, что я буду делать в последнюю очередь.

21 Jun 2021 at 16:34 | Open on mastodon.social
a1ba-nyan
@grishka о чём я и сказал. Как слепишь, таким и интерфейс будет, а не наоборот
21 Jun 2021 at 16:39 | Open on expired.mentality.rip
Gregory replied to a1ba-nyan

@a1batross ну на самом деле так тоже неправильно. Сначала ты придумываешь UX, а потом — всё остальное, чтобы его реализовать. Иначе получится десктопный линукс.

21 Jun 2021 at 16:39 | Open on mastodon.social
Alex Gleason replied to a1ba-nyan

@a1batross @grishka I started with the client API first because I am building for users first. If I have to adjust it, I will.

I hope I can communicate with grishka some way. Maybe we can work together.

21 Jun 2021 at 17:03 | Open on gleasonator.com
a1ba-nyan replied to Alex
@alex I've seen projects where people started from building from frontend, users get interested but nothing happens due to different reasons.

That's why I got disappointed with Pixelfed for example. While it looked nice on frontend, it federated poorly which made first impression worse. Maybe I should try it again.

That's just my personal subjective observations with different projects, open source or not. So no offense please.

also retranslating parent post for @grishka :
I started with the client API first because I am building for users first. If I have to adjust it, I will.

I hope I can communicate with grishka some way. Maybe we can work together.
@alex I've seen projects where people started from building from frontend, users get interested but nothing happens due to different reasons.

That's why I got disappointed with Pixelfed for example. While it looked nice on frontend, it federated poorly which made first impression worse. Maybe I should try it again.
21 Jun 2021 at 17:03 | Open on expired.mentality.rip
Gregory replied to a1ba-nyan

@a1batross @alex@gleasonator.com

oh, yes, Pixelfed. It does look nice, but last time I tried it, federation felt very much like an afterthought. The UI is built as if every instance is the only one. When you want to like or comment something, it just throws a login form at you.

21 Jun 2021 at 17:03 | Open on mastodon.social
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