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Paris Marx

ChatGPT gets treated like technological magic, but that ignores the humans behind the curtain that make it function.

OpenAI paid Sama to hire Kenyan workers at $1.32 to $2 an hour to review “child sexual abuse, bestiality, murder, suicide, torture, self harm, and incest” content. Their work made the tool less toxic, but left them mentally scarred. The company ended the contract when they found out TIME was digging into their practices.

time.com/6247678/openai-chatgp

#tech #chatgpt #ai

44 comments
Tim Jacob Hawthorne

@parismarx debasing humans in the name of making AI seem more humane

TomWellborn3

@parismarx Let's see what ChatGPT has to say about this:

"Paying workers less than a living wage can be seen as immoral as it may not provide them with enough income to meet their basic needs, such as food, housing, and healthcare. This can lead to poverty and financial struggles for the worker, which can negatively impact their physical and mental well-being. Additionally, paying workers less than a living wage may perpetuate income inequality and social injustice...

TomWellborn3

@parismarx
...From a moral perspective, paying a fair and living wage to workers can be seen as a basic human right and a way for employers to ensure that their workers are treated with dignity and respect."

AlexanderVI

@antanicus @parismarx "the proletariat is superfluous to requirements"

The Duality of Xan

@parismarx Oh gods, just when I thought it couldn’t be worse!

n8chz ⒶⒺ

@XanIndigo @parismarx Sounds like the same setup as content moderation in general. Kudos to Billy Perrigo for investigative journalism that gets results, or gets fear reacts, at least.

Priya Chand

@parismarx damn and here I thought paying people <$1/hr to train the algorithm was the unethical part...this is so much worse

Atomic Orbitals

@parismarx This is a human rights violation on so many horrifying levels!

Jeff Moe

@parismarx

"In 2019, OpenAI LP received a US$1 billion investment from Microsoft."

"On September 23, 2020, GPT-3 was licensed EXCLUSIVELY to Microsoft."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenAI

#Oligarchy

Resuna

@parismarx This bad timeline was taken from the plot of Zendegi (@gregeganSF, 2010).

tolortslubor

@parismarx Did Elon Musk leave open AI because it was too disgusting, or did they throw him out because he is too disgusting?

GhostOnTheHalfShell

@parismarx In essence, AI is built on exploited labor. It is a cruel fate because so much of it has workers building the tool of their own enslavement.

The purposes AI is put to is surveillance and terror. I say terror because AI algorithms purposely encourage hate as they chase profit. Hate simply causes a lot of engagement which = $. War is profitable and so is hate.

It should be clear where the logic of corporations chasing profit will lead.

n0body

@parismarx I've heard the same thing about the people who removed toxic content from Facebook, it is very traumatizing. By the way, does anybody remember Tay, the racist chatbot from Microsoft? spectrum.ieee.org/in-2016-micr

breaking ranks

@parismarx in this context I have to recommend the book Atlas of AI by Kate Crawford. Pure gold, that one.

Anna

@parismarx can AI become sentient and wipe us out please?

Jeff Gibbard :verified:

@parismarx I’m starting to come to the conclusion that almost everything is awful. Pull back the curtain on nearly everything we use in our daily lives (in the US at least), and we find misery, suffering, and exploitation…all leading to some asshole getting rich.

David

@JGibbard Correction: almost everything in *capitalism* is awful, or at least the uber extreme form of it that we have at the moment and the corporations that are the worst example of it. I will defend humans as mostly good. But when money becomes involved... well, it corrupts all.

squeakyears

@JGibbard @parismarx

"There is no ethical consumption under capitalism" and all that.

Nick Wood

@parismarx what happens when the mechanical Turk goes on strike?

The Doctor

@parismarx Given who founded OpenAI, this isn't surprising at all.

hammancheez

@parismarx the challenge of active effective moderation is it cannot be done without doing incredible damage to human beings involved in the work, which then begs the question how much human damage are we prepared to suffer so we can tweet about Milf Manor

AlexanderVI

@parismarx Seems like we're past the Turing Test point and a new idea is needed. Algorithms are not intelligence, even if they can present the appearance of intelligence.

ktp_programming

@parismarx "The contracts stated that OpenAI would pay an hourly rate of $12.50 to Sama for the work, which was between six and nine times the amount Sama employees on the project were taking home per hour." I understand ChatGPT and OpenAI are sexy targets, but in that case, I would focus more on Sama, which labels itself as an "ethical AI company".

⚗️⚗️⚗️ pnathan ⚗️⚗️⚗️

@parismarx important... ai needs training, moderation, and the public is gross.

Shameful to not properly build a real trust and safety team....

Richard

@parismarx With those ethics, I'm sure their product will spread toxicity everywhere is winds up.

HackWan@vivaldi.net

@parismarx

So this is called machine learning.
Other may call it fake!

Tyler Knows Nothing

@parismarx Do you marvel at the grandeur of what "Makes America Great"? Isn't it magical?! 🤔 😤 😡 🤬

Jour

@parismarx I think companies should pay more and support the workers who do this awful content labelling (make no mistake a lot of this stuff still happens) .
Imo AI companies should be more transparent about the companies they outsource this kind of work.

DELETED

@parismarx We might need another AI to do this

Doctor X

@parismarx I don't know which is more laughable - a company making a locked-up, for-pay robot that needs a huge crew of censors to keep it from plagiarizing naughty things, calling itself "OPEN AI" ... or the now-common insistence that workers are left "mentally scarred" from skimming some lite variant of Encyclopedia Dramatica. They are all so full of themselves and their bogus neo-Victorian purity.

Aya Thompson

@parismarx There really needs to be a massive open database of labeled training data for this stuff. No more repeating the same utterly shit work just replicate this again and again and again. It's not like it even has any direct corporate value.

Then again it'd probably be costly from a legal/restricted access pov, still it feels like a dumb problem that should be solveable

Richservo :verified:

@parismarx Elon musk is a large investor in the company. This isn’t new territory for him.

squeakyears

@parismarx

It's bad enough they're still called "open." For some reason I didn't expect it to get *so* much worse. I should have known better. >:[

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