@opendna @stux i don't speak about the past, but the future :
nytimes.com/2022/09/14/climate
Holdfast Collective is a 501(c)(4) who will/can do political lobbying,
It's great if they push good thing, but inside this Holdfast Collective there is familly of Patagonia, a nice way to bypass taxes.

If we have to make a scale between Elon Musk and Patagonia Owner, it's clear that Elon is worse, but they both bypass taxes in a cynical way.