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Benjamin Balder Bach

@JulianOliver for anyone watching this, you don't need to use destructive methods such as hammers or arrows or drills.

You can also overwrite your disks and reuse them 💯

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Julian Oliver

@benjaoming yes I like 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=/path/to/disk bs=10m` or similar, but this had a little pre-click of death anyway. Worked, but was on the way out.

Benjamin Balder Bach

@JulianOliver ack! photos are also cool 😎

As individuals, we shouldn't waste time on unreliable drives. But the myth of data security makes companies produce heaps of e-waste. Millions of drives are wasted every year in the name of data security.

Henrik Kramselund - kramse

@benjaoming @JulianOliver
while I am for reusable, there is no way I as a consumer can trust the overwriting bit of bits

The game changed a lot when we started to use SSDs. Wear leveling and rewriting while writing means that blocks are moved around, quite a lot.

There is also parts that are "spare blocks" which can be used as the device gets older etc etc.

The best way to ensure you can reuse a storage device is to turn on encryption, and then do your best to delete the key part of this

@benjaoming @JulianOliver
while I am for reusable, there is no way I as a consumer can trust the overwriting bit of bits

The game changed a lot when we started to use SSDs. Wear leveling and rewriting while writing means that blocks are moved around, quite a lot.

There is also parts that are "spare blocks" which can be used as the device gets older etc etc.

Benjamin Balder Bach

@kramse @JulianOliver yes, encryption is great and that's the #1.

SSD come with firmware-level implementations that overwrite all sectors (also the hidden ones). You will of course have to trust the manufacturer to implement this properly.

This is a great resource: tinyapps.org/docs/wipe_drives_

RiskyThinking

@benjaoming @JulianOliver But if you have a drawer full of low capacity hard disks you thought you might be able to reuse one day overwriting isn't practical or useful.

Have you considered how long it takes to overwrite ten 500GB slow disks? Or whether you can find someone who even wants them?

This looks so much more fun than using a power drill.

Benjamin Balder Bach

@riskythinking @JulianOliver Step 1) Overwrite
Step 2) Put in drawer :)

I usually put a label on a disk, like "overwritten".

Less risky if full-disk encryption was used.

Been using tools from StarTech to overwrite multiple disks at once, they have some pretty cool stuff.

But yeah, if you have zero intention of reusing a disk, you might as well do some quick irreversible damage to it :+1:

Chris Owens

@benjaoming @JulianOliver I also doubt you’re securely erasing much of the disk like this. Bend the platters back into shape, and I reckon they’d be mostly readable. You’d (possibly) be surprised the lengths people go to when they really want to recover someone’s data.

Ian Douglas Scott

@likesohushhush
@benjaoming @JulianOliver Yeah, it depends on your threat model. If someone isn't specifically after your data it isn't worth that much effort to get data from a random discarded drive, but then the intentional damage might indicate value...

I wonder what data recovery companies charge to recover data from drives damaged in, err, unfortunate longbow accidents.

Although boring, merely zeroing the drive is probably actually more reliable. Could do both though.

@likesohushhush
@benjaoming @JulianOliver Yeah, it depends on your threat model. If someone isn't specifically after your data it isn't worth that much effort to get data from a random discarded drive, but then the intentional damage might indicate value...

I wonder what data recovery companies charge to recover data from drives damaged in, err, unfortunate longbow accidents.

Julian Oliver

@ids1024 @likesohushhush @benjaoming Could've dd'd /dev/urandom to it, but after I shot it platter was bent, spindle popped, and the glass substrate poured out as dust. Run and reliable

ghostdancer

@benjaoming I guess this system is more satisfying and fulfilling. 😉 @JulianOliver

Gareth Husk

@benjaoming @JulianOliver
I would keep drives against possibly re using but most of the time these disks are either, too slow, too small or won't respond when you try to use / DBan them.

Fortunately my city council hires a disk shredder once a year and for a donation to the library I can shred all the disk I want. Working diskless devices go to a re-use charity

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