@lmamakos sounds about right tbh. I didn't join until 2015-ish when they acquired the company I worked for, but their initial foray into security services offerings was, uh, rather inauspicious. they just had no clue when it came to delivering those kinds of projects. took a lot of work from a few dedicated people to get it stumbling off the ground, several of whom ended up doing more than one job. sounds like they're doing better now though.