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Kartik Agaram
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Ramsey Nasser

@akkartik @maya yeah i am the same... for all its faults it keeps being the environment i want to use and develop in...

31 Oct 2022 at 23:49 | Open on merveilles.town
emenel

@nasser @akkartik @maya I also agree, but with the caveat that I actually don’t love using browser based software that isn’t network related, but I do love it as a dev environment, even just for prototyping. For me it’s the fastest way to think through an idea with a canvas. Many other languages/environments make it really hard to visualize things dynamically, or whip up a quick UI.

I will say that I don’t really enjoy JavaScript as a language. But that’s easy enough to work around these days.

1 Nov 2022 at 0:19 | Open on post.lurk.org
Kartik Agaram

@emenel @nasser @maya My heart wants to propose the Lua LÖVE framework (love2d.org) in combination with something like LoveFrames (github.com/eledot/LoveFrames/w)

But.. I haven't actually tried it yet :/

It's a little work. You have to download LÖVE (a nice cross-platform 5MB binary), then create a little app with LoveFrames set up inside it. Whereas the browser is obviously right there and ready to go.

But it's a lot smaller, more stable, more secure.

I really should try it out.

@emenel @nasser @maya My heart wants to propose the Lua LÖVE framework (love2d.org) in combination with something like LoveFrames (github.com/eledot/LoveFrames/w)

But.. I haven't actually tried it yet :/

It's a little work. You have to download LÖVE (a nice cross-platform 5MB binary), then create a little app with LoveFrames set up inside it. Whereas the browser is obviously right there and ready to go.

1 Nov 2022 at 1:39 | Open on merveilles.town
Konrad Hinsen

@emenel @nasser @akkartik @maya You might consider a Smalltalk system. Squeak, Pharo, Glamorous Toolkit (the latter being Pharo with a new UI). Main drawback: no decent mobile support.

1 Nov 2022 at 6:04 | Open on scholar.social
maya 🎃

@akkartik I've written a bit adjacent to the first link, I think? maya.land/monologues/2022/09/1 There's a lot people can do with the browser that would never exist as native applications – because of skill distribution or preexisting toolkits or $$ etc.

But what I meant *here* was more... things that *are* done outside the browser, that are *normally* done that way, that are wedged inside the browser anyway despite making a certain old guard cringe. It costs something, but it buys something too.

@akkartik I've written a bit adjacent to the first link, I think? maya.land/monologues/2022/09/1 There's a lot people can do with the browser that would never exist as native applications – because of skill distribution or preexisting toolkits or $$ etc.

But what I meant *here* was more... things that *are* done outside the browser, that are *normally* done that way, that are wedged inside the browser anyway despite making a certain old guard cringe. It costs something, but...

1 Nov 2022 at 0:31 | Open on occult.institute
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