@wholesomedonut @maxc @noa it's a bit like the niche category of esoteric programming languages. Nobody would scold you for entertaining yourself with some small scripts in BrainFuck, LOLCODE, Shakespeare or Whitespace in your spare time. But if you start believing that those should be taken seriously as programming languages, and that all the patterns that made programming easier and more accessible over the past decades are bad, then we have a problem.