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Preventing enshittification of platforms rests on credible exit for users and devs. #ActivityPub and #SMTP are not perfect but

a) are implemented und understood by many players,

b) enable freedom of choice of servers and clients,

c) implement #RightToMigrate as well as self/community custody

Many #p2p projects promise to remove servers but often promote and depend on a single implementation stack, have no spec and no interop among #p2p islands, and thus struggle to provide credible exit.

yesterday at 10:52 | Open on chaos.social
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Leaf 🌱 🏴‍☠️ (they/them)

@delta
do you see any possible future where we won't need servers? cause yes, having many decentralized instances running on servers is already so much better, but wouldn't p2p be even more decentralized and therefore provide more freedom?

or perhaps the server which hosts an instance (mastodon for example) can be somehow democratized so that all of it's users have a say in the decisions usually made by the admin or moderator 🤔

yesterday at 12:55 | Open on kolektiva.social
Delta Chat

@leaf yes, there are futures where servers play less of a role than they do today. We are thinking/prototyping on that.

But already today, #webxdc realtime apps eg at delta.chat/en/2024-11-20-webxd are using @n0iroh and thus offer a private #p2p network. Here, the rather reliable #SMTP server network is used to bootstrap lots of little private P2P ones consisting of unstable peers. Without this bootstrapping you need central root servers along with DHTs or other mechanism for discovery.

@leaf yes, there are futures where servers play less of a role than they do today. We are thinking/prototyping on that.

But already today, #webxdc realtime apps eg at delta.chat/en/2024-11-20-webxd are using @n0iroh and thus offer a private #p2p network. Here, the rather reliable #SMTP server network is used to bootstrap lots of little private P2P ones consisting of unstable peers. Without this bootstrapping you need central root servers...

yesterday at 13:19 | Open on chaos.social
Leaf 🌱 🏴‍☠️ (they/them)

@delta
thanks for the response, very interesting, much to learn and think about! ❤️

yesterday at 14:22 | Open on kolektiva.social
Mostafa228

@delta Activitypub is not designed to be E2E encrypted.
It's better to suggest the nostr protocol because it is E2EE and designed to be censorship resistant.

yesterday at 16:41 | Open on toot.community
feld
@mostafa228 @delta nostr is having a problem with clients DDOSing itself by accident right now. The relays struggle under a deluge of spam as well. It's a nightmare. It might be censorship resistant but it's also not designed properly for unprivileged access by the entire world
yesterday at 19:29 | Open on friedcheese.us
🌈 Lascapi ⁂

@delta I like #p2p technologies but I think prefer the possibility to migrate between server.

Like #hubzilla

yesterday at 19:50 | Open on mastodon.zaclys.com
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