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Hops the sausage dog

@bedast I would also add I find it quite helpful to start with a set of automatically generated captions, and then correct them. I don't do this often, but it saves me loads of time in a part-time job.

Is this a bit like people being annoyed at Mozilla using AI for on-device browser translation, even though that's very useful? I'm not sure if that's generative, but I'd guess not.

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bedast

@howisyourdog I'm not a Firefox user so I haven't really dug into the latest in being upset with Firefox making an AI plugin, but it seemed like they were making an LLM to summarize pages. These have been known to get things very wrong. I don’t know if it's on-device or if it uses ChatGPT.

Hops the sausage dog

@bedast oooh, I hadn't heard about it summarising pages, that's useful to know.

bedast

@howisyourdog It’s a plugin/addon so opt-in for now. So there’s at least that. But Mozilla has a history of eventually forcing stuff on users.

Hops the sausage dog

@bedast I was thinking of this I believe, and I'm not sure if it is ML/AI

fr0g

@howisyourdog @bedast

Firefox also has a local AI translation thingy that is different from the plug-in being talked about here.

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@frog_reborn @howisyourdog @bedast
Yep, and this module of translation by Firefox, using offline AI is getting things really wrong, too, as it translated when I tested it, the The German AFD party into the Ministry of Defence, which is kind of absurd, you know, and totally wrong.

Alex Rock

@bedast @howisyourdog all browsers end up forcing stuff on users anyway. Chrome is the leader in forcing stupid things though, especially regarding privacy infringement.

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@bedast @howisyourdog It's off device. They say it is privacy preserving, but that's fundamentally questionable when you are sending stuff off device and can always change at any point. It's basically a "trust us, we won't be evil" statement and a lot of people are not willing to trust in that any longer given how they've behaved of late.

Dr. Angus Andrea Grieve-Smith

@howisyourdog @bedast I groan every time I see unsuprevised automated captions or machine translation. They're simply not ready for prime time.

I know some Deaf people find them useful, so I understand the push to integrate them. But this should not be bundled with VLC; it should be an optional plugin, if it isn't already.

Hops the sausage dog

@grvsmth @bedast it's certainly a tricky one. I would go further and say people with hearing loss, particularly those who can't lip read (me), find them more than just useful.

Their accuracy is definitely a problem to be solved, so having it as a plugin is a good compromise as long as people know that. On the other hand it's VLC, so you're getting a pretty amazing piece of software for free, and this is coming from a good place, not trying to inflate stock price with a fad.

Certainly not something to rely on if you're producing videos professionally, but I can also see e.g. a solo YouTuber won't have time to transcribe all their videos.

@grvsmth @bedast it's certainly a tricky one. I would go further and say people with hearing loss, particularly those who can't lip read (me), find them more than just useful.

Their accuracy is definitely a problem to be solved, so having it as a plugin is a good compromise as long as people know that. On the other hand it's VLC, so you're getting a pretty amazing piece of software for free, and this is coming from a good place, not trying to inflate stock price with a fad.

Flaky

@howisyourdog I dunno about the on-device translation, but Mozilla has also been messing with LLMs, staring with the AI sidebar (which could've been just a regular web panel) and the Orbit summariser extension, which is why people have gotten angry (alongside the "privacy preserving" tracking ad-tech).

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Hops the sausage dog

@Flaky @bedast that's good to know. I'll avoid the LLM stuff and try and disable it in about config if it becomes mandatory

Flaky

@howisyourdog ATM it's not, but you might also want to disable the "privacy preserving advertising" stuff if you don't want Mozilla to track you. Unless you disabled Mozilla telemetry outright, in which case the adtech gets disabled too.

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