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@TimWardCam @doctormo

I think this would not be called "being paid for doing HR's job". It's typical that union reps from the employees are still employed 100%, but get leave to handle union business (or worker's council business) for a certain percentage of their time ("freigestellt" in German, but I cannot find an equivalent, maybe "released for", but this sounds fishy to my ears).

Their work contract (at least in DE) don't change which avoids part of the dependency problem.

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Glitzersachen.de replied to Glitzersachen.de

@TimWardCam @doctormo

Also note that commercial enterprises and organisations on the government / local admin side are typically rather different beasts. At least in Germany the laws also partly differ.

Tim Ward ⭐πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ”Ά #FBPE replied to Glitzersachen.de

@glitzersachen @doctormo Ah, so that sounds like the same thing. The "paid to do HR's job" was a comment from management observing that if the union reps weren't there then they'd have to hire another HR person.

(For a while I chaired the committee of councillors which in theory oversaw the management - staff relationships, and whose job was to decide any issues that management and unions couldn't agree on between themselves. In practice our meetings consisted of management and unions telling us that they were getting on absolutely fine together, and they were sure they could sort out the current disagreements using their existing working relationships and policies and procedures, and the last thing they needed was us councillors interfering. So basically we were a last-resort backstop insurance policy that was never called upon to pay out.)

@glitzersachen @doctormo Ah, so that sounds like the same thing. The "paid to do HR's job" was a comment from management observing that if the union reps weren't there then they'd have to hire another HR person.

(For a while I chaired the committee of councillors which in theory oversaw the management - staff relationships, and whose job was to decide any issues that management and unions couldn't agree on between themselves. In practice our meetings consisted of management and unions telling us...

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