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@stroughtonsmith sorry if this sounds ignorant, but I’m really wondering. This all sounds like Apple is being forced open up to all, and effectively hollow out what make Apple products special in the first place. I’m wondering as an end-user. Not a developer. 8 comments
@RAOF @akafester @stroughtonsmith How is it Apple's fault that other operating systems don't support M3? That's one of the few things Apple is doing right here, you can fully unlock your Mac to run any OS. @nicolas17 @akafester @stroughtonsmith They don't ship drivers, or the documentation to produce drivers, and while the Asahi project has done an excellent job of reverse-engineering drivers there's still a catch up required as firmware interfaces change with each MacOS release. But more: Lenovo, Dell, Asus, etc would buy as many M3 chips as Apple could produce; they can't, because you can only by an M3 in a Mac. This is not a benefit to consumers! @RAOF @akafester @stroughtonsmith How many laptop vendors provide Linux drivers or documentation? Isn't most of it reverse-engineered? The suggestion that Apple sells its custom chips for third parties is just absurd. It's like requiring car manufacturers to sell their engines standalone for other companies to use in their cars. @nicolas17 @akafester @stroughtonsmith I don't think it's at all absurd; Apple is unique in not selling its CPUs. But I don't particularly think that Apple should be required to sell M3 CPUs; I think that Apple Silicon should be a different company to Apple Computers, at which point it would obviously sell M3 CPUs. @nicolas17 @akafester @stroughtonsmith
I think you may have missed the last decade or so of Linux development; I don't know of a laptop vendor that doesn't provide Linux drivers? And almost all of them are open-source (the notable holdout being NVIDIA). @RAOF @nicolas17 @akafester @stroughtonsmith Even that is beginning to crumble: https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules @nicolas17 @RAOF @akafester @stroughtonsmith I know at least from Dell that they did this for their developer series notebooks. They offered an Ubuntu with all the drivers / kernel patches needed to get all peripherals running and it's already fine-tuned for battery saving. There are others out there directly supporting linux as well, e.g. FrameWork, but I don't know if they supply drivers/patches themselves, mine just works as intended after installing current NixOS. |
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@akafester @stroughtonsmith I have broadly two trains of thought here:
1 - Much like OpenAI, I have negative sympathy for the argument “You can't enforce the law! Our business model is illegal!”
2 - From a consumer perspective, I expect this to make Apple's products better. It's not a consumer benefit that you can only use an Apple watch with an iPhone, or that you can only get full functionality by paring an iPhone with a MacBook (or, for that matter, that you can only use an M3 processor with MacOS).
I fully expect that Apple products will continue to work most seamlessly when combined - after all, Apple has a great incentive to do the work required to make that happen. Apple will now have more of an incentive to continue that, rather than an incentive to half-arse it because they can prevent anyone else from doing better!
@akafester @stroughtonsmith I have broadly two trains of thought here:
1 - Much like OpenAI, I have negative sympathy for the argument “You can't enforce the law! Our business model is illegal!”
2 - From a consumer perspective, I expect this to make Apple's products better. It's not a consumer benefit that you can only use an Apple watch with an iPhone, or that you can only get full functionality by paring an iPhone with a MacBook (or, for that matter, that you can only use an M3 processor with MacOS).