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Steve Troughton-Smith

Also, just to acknowledge the spin Apple is taking on this, which I have no interest in linking to: they just threw Meta under the bus for interoperability requests, something that is forbidden under the EC's proposal, triple-underlining why the EC needs to legislate all of this in writing in the first place

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Jimmy Callin replied to Steve

@stroughtonsmith ”Meta can see everything we can see!!”

Yes, that is what we have GDPR for.

Americans are so used to dysfunctional governments they have to place trust in specific companies to guard their privacy, causing them to see interoperability as a threat model.

Jimmy Callin replied to Jimmy

@whereami @stroughtonsmith You're treating personal privacy rights as if it should be up to company values. You're not choosing airlines based on whether they have seatbelts or not.

whereami replied to Jimmy

@callin @stroughtonsmith $1.3B was 3% of their net profit from last year. That’s like fining me $500. Fining Facebook chump change after the fact doesn’t stop them from already having misused user data, or misuing other user data in the future. You know what does help? Apple not giving data to Meta in the first place. Meta can’t misuse data that they don’t have. Personal privacy rights should not be up to company values, but they currently are.

whereami replied to whereami

@callin @stroughtonsmith Any regulation that attempts to prevent misuse of data that a company *already has* is unlikely to work unless breaching it results in consequences approaching the severity of, say, liquidation of the company and the imprisonment of every employee and board member with knowledge of the breach who did not report it.

Jimmy Callin replied to whereami

@whereami @stroughtonsmith It's 3% this time. You're talking as if meta shareholders are ok with potentially being fined 20% of global revenue is business as usual.

meta physical deflationist replied to Jimmy

@callin @whereami @stroughtonsmith if its that or a theoretical 21% loss of revenues via WAVES HANDS then they will accept it

Mischa replied to Steve

@stroughtonsmith all these proposed changes sound great, but I don’t see Apple having the resources to implement this stuff by next year (or maybe rather: I don’t see them prioritizing this stuff as highly)

Almost feels like there will be an iOS EU version or no iOS update in the eu next year at all

… which I hope the EC would come down hard as well

Tom Klaver :prami: replied to Steve

@stroughtonsmith One of the dumbest things I can remember recently is the disabling of volume buttons inside the Sonos app. It's such terrible UX now. Thanks, Apple. Assholes.

multigreg replied to Steve

@stroughtonsmith why, these processes should be kept out of the public eye?! There should be maximum transparency about what tech companies are doing

Kenny Park replied to Steve

@stroughtonsmith Brilliant. (I used to live in the EU. 😭Thanks, Brexit!)

mcc replied to Steve

@stroughtonsmith It's great they're looking at interoperability hard but the question to me is whether the EU will allow Apple to keep the per-app-install fee to developers when apps are installed through a third-party store. As long as that stays the platform remains radioactive as far as I'm concerned

artemist replied to mcc

@mcc @stroughtonsmith The European Commission certainly doesn't like it, they opened proceedings about it in June. They have 5 open proceedings against Apple (and 3 against other companies under the DMA):

- DMA.100109 about restrictions on in-app purchases for apps distributed through the app store
- DMA.100185 about not being able to uninstall Safari
- DMA.100206 about the "core technology fee" charged to developers
- DMA.100203 about "features for connected physical devices"
- DMA.100204 about the horrible interoperability request process.

The only public things related to any of these are the recent public comments on DMA.10203 and DMA.100204, as seen in this thread, but hopefully they'll move forward on the other proceedings in 2025.

@mcc @stroughtonsmith The European Commission certainly doesn't like it, they opened proceedings about it in June. They have 5 open proceedings against Apple (and 3 against other companies under the DMA):

- DMA.100109 about restrictions on in-app purchases for apps distributed through the app store
- DMA.100185 about not being able to uninstall Safari
- DMA.100206 about the "core technology fee" charged to developers

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