@redezem hmm, “Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.” How about we build software based on gantt charts derived from how much money the sales guy expects to make when we deliver the software in 2 years time using requirements carved in stone by customers with LV tastes and dollar shop budgets. Like democracy, agile is the worst form of software development except for all the other forms of software development. And like democracy, agile works best when everyone is involved.