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Tesla's "self driving" software disables itself just before crashes to sneakily avoid liability fortune.com/2022/06/10/elon-mu
13 Jun 2022 at 2:32 | Open on mas.to
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hobs

@yogthos surprised that doesn't create additional legal liability if intentionally disabling autopilot during that 1 second invariably results in reduced braking and increased velocity on impact.

13 Jun 2022 at 3:00 | Open on mastodon.social
Timjan

@hobson @yogthos if there isn't any law to cover such a situation, it might very well be legal (ianal and so on, of course).

I'm just thinking that since very few legislators know first thing about physics, I'm not sure it's going to be easy to explain even why this is a problem.

13 Jun 2022 at 14:14 | Open on social.linux.pizza
hobs

@timjan @yogthos There are generic laws about engineering a device that intentionally causes harm. Expert witnesses are used to explain the physics. Source code will show intent.

13 Jun 2022 at 15:12 | Open on mastodon.social
Reay Jespersen

@yogthos New tech leads to new laws needed to keep up with unprecedented situations.

Here’s hoping countries get on shit like this fast, because fuck a company making grandiose promises about the safety of their product while designing it to not ensure that safety but instead ensure the company isn’t liable for the accident that the product can lead the people into.

13 Jun 2022 at 4:45 | Open on mastodon.social
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@yogthos I'm literally laughing out loud because it's my remaining coping mechanism.
13 Jun 2022 at 5:35 | Open on libranet.de
Maddie :linuxmint: :xfce:
Sylvana

@yogthos the autopilot suddenly turning itself off seems like it would be the actual reason for those crash. The car is switching behaviour without warning

13 Jun 2022 at 12:21 | Open on eldritch.cafe
Marenzers

@yogthos The capitalist version of, "Stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself!"

13 Jun 2022 at 13:06 | Open on tech.lgbt
nickapos :clubtwit:

@yogthos musk is gradually becoming a cartoon villain.

13 Jun 2022 at 13:11 | Open on twit.social
Sylvana

@nickapos @yogthos most cartoon villains have redeeming qualities

13 Jun 2022 at 13:38 | Open on eldritch.cafe
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Luna SaΟ†ra Dragofelis 🐱

@yogthos it *could* activate the brakes

but it cares more about corporate liability than about people's lives

13 Jun 2022 at 13:37 | Open on embracing.space
Drezil :butterfly_trans:

@LunaDragofelis AEB & autopilot are separate systems.
And nothing has to do anything with liability πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

14 Jun 2022 at 9:48 | Open on toot.kif.rocks
Ludwig Behm

@yogthos From a technical point of view, I would expect that the autopilot shuts down if it finds itself in a "I don't know what to do anymore"-situation. It would be worse if it continues in any way, after realizing it isn't capable of resolving a situation. From a legal point of view this is bullshit.

13 Jun 2022 at 13:38 | Open on chaos.social
DELETED

@yogthos Wow Musk is so devout, he even programmed in a Jesus Take the Wheel mode!

13 Jun 2022 at 21:37 | Open on mastodon.social
Opalium

@yogthos
There's a "me handling my responsibilities" joke somewhere in here.

Thats the only funny thing about this though. This is some dystopian level crap.

14 Jun 2022 at 9:30 | Open on mastodon.social
Drezil :butterfly_trans:

@yogthos still wrong.
Autopilot is NEVER liable.
And Tesla counts every crash as "on autopilot" when it was active anytime in the 5 seconds before impact.
Funny thing is: even being rear ended country as AP crash.
Still 3 times safe than human πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

So please stop sharing those lies. There is enough to criticize without blatantly misrepresenting facts.. πŸ˜•

14 Jun 2022 at 9:47 | Open on toot.kif.rocks
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