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Steve Troughton-Smith

How much LLM is even in this? And why did it require a 2GB download? šŸ˜…

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Marcin Krzyzanowski

@stroughtonsmith all of it, if you remember how good Siri is without it at interpreting timer requests

Steve Troughton-Smith

Is there documentation anywhere as to what macOSā€™ Apple Intelligence actually adds to Siri? I'm coming up blank here

Nico Reese

@stroughtonsmith Siri improvements are not coming until .3 or .4. Thereā€˜s nothing new for now except being able to correct yourself while speaking.

Steve Troughton-Smith

Writing Tools tries to shame you if you use it on profanity ā€” it pops up a modal dialog if your source material has swear words ā€”, but then it goes and works anyway?

So what is the point of the alert?

Jon Maddox

@stroughtonsmith to consistently not treat you like an adult.

Steve Troughton-Smith

I mean, seriously. Who OK'd the kind of user experience that will yell at you, every time, for no reason if it even slightly disapproves of your language. What kind of bubble are you living in?

Steve Troughton-Smith

Me: summarize this @daringfireball paragraph

ā€œApple Intelligenceā€: it's a bit too spicy for me

Steve Troughton-Smith

Even Safari's Reader mode alerts you that it doesn't want to summarize @gruberā€™s post.

Nanny Apple has gone way too far.

whereami

@stroughtonsmith @gruber ā€œWriting Tools arenā€™tā€¦ā€ is a bit jarring, too. Whatā€™s next, Siri telling us ā€œThe Lord of the Rings arenā€™t a good bookā€?

I notice you used ā€œWriting Tools triesā€¦ā€, and Iā€™m struggling to picture Apple going with ā€œWriting Tools tryā€¦ā€ even though that would be consistent with ā€œWriting Tools arenā€™tā€¦ā€. Then again, this is the same company that gave us ā€œiPhone isā€¦ā€/ā€œā€¦on iPhoneā€.

John Gruber

@whereami @stroughtonsmith I'm OK with that grammatically. Writing Tools are a collection of features, not a singular feature.

whereami

@gruber @stroughtonsmith to me it seems like itā€™s the name of one thing that happens to have a plural name, just like Pages, Numbers, and Messages (and Broadcasts). Settings is a collection of many settings, but weā€™d never say ā€œSettings areā€.

Maybe they should update this text to ā€œWriting Tools have exitedā€ for consistency? šŸ˜› mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmi

Steve Troughton-Smith

Writing Tools doesn't even want to touch the word 'WAPā€™ šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

Alex Brindley :abunsmile:

@stroughtonsmith so what Iā€™m hearing is this is a useless feature thatā€™s just bloating the OS and being in the way for funsies?

I mean Iā€™m not surprised but likeā€¦ oof

Steve Troughton-Smith

Clean Up is its own model?

ā€¦so why does it rely on Apple Intelligence? šŸ˜…

Steve Troughton-Smith

Don't have any complaints about the feature, though. It works about as well as I'd expect!

Steve Troughton-Smith replied to Steve

Searching 'Wikipedia' in Siri right now (Apple Intelligence or not) brings up someā€¦ ā€˜choiceā€™ā€¦ results

Steve Troughton-Smith replied to Steve

Writing Tools is the gift that keeps on giving. It throws up the content warning dialog so often that I'm starting to wonder what it actually *can* do. But this is the first crash I've seen

Steve Troughton-Smith replied to Steve

ā€˜Donā€™t make such a big deal about this, itā€™s unfinished. Itā€™ll get betterā€™

Listen, Iā€™m not the one that redesigned the (clearly, not even slightly improved) Siri dialog in neon and overlaid two different fancy animations šŸ˜‚

This ships like this, tomorrow

Ernesto Monasterio replied to Steve

@stroughtonsmith Also, the current OS releases are so buggy, probably the buggiest ones since iOS 11ā€¦ Apple Intelligence took up so much bandwidth and development time for *this*? I would rather have a fully functioning OS instead.

Adam Charron replied to Steve

@stroughtonsmith I was genuinely surprised to find that this was all they did.

I guess Iā€™ll see how the ChatGPT integration goes.

My least favourite Siri response ā€œhereā€™s some results I found the webā€. Half the time Iā€™m dealing with Siri itā€™s while Iā€™m drivingā€¦ could you maybe summarize for me?

ChatGPT and bing both seem to handle this use case pretty well and have much better responses, but no system integration until now.

Nico Reese replied to Steve

@stroughtonsmith They should have waited and launched it all with iOS 19. People expect a generational leap and they will not get it for a while. But Apple wanted to please shareholders, so here we are.

Berufsquerulant replied to Steve

@stroughtonsmith it is the headline-feature for the current line of hardwareā€¦it is Cupertino who made it such a big deal, not youšŸ˜…

Corbin Davenport replied to Steve

@stroughtonsmith I wonder if this is the result of more high-quality sites blocking Appleā€™s web crawler because it's also used for AI training

Kookie_san replied to Steve

@stroughtonsmith

Wow. Certainly says something. šŸ˜‚ Geez Siri, who edited your Wiki page, ay? šŸ˜

jack :clippy:

@stroughtonsmith Probably just a collective term for all of the Apple Inteligence products/features

dmitriid

@stroughtonsmith

It was also available in Photomator for several years. Apple surely botched any and all product development, hasn't it

*Edit* fixing typos caused by the botched iOS keyboard

Mo

@stroughtonsmith @gruber itā€™s a one time warning it doesnā€™t do it again.

Ross Floate

@stroughtonsmith @daringfireball That's fucking weak sauce. Pathetic ā€” really ā€” from Apple.

Marcin Krzyzanowski

@stroughtonsmith it does not judge your language AFAIK. That is a generic "error" message when the model cannot result with anything (or result with garbage)

Steve Troughton-Smith

@krzyzanowskim in every case, this shows up when language is used. In every case, you can click continue and it works anyway

Jeff C. šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡¦

@stroughtonsmith @krzyzanowskim If not intentional, then it is an oversight.

People use vulgarity and sometimes say unkind things. Apple needs to account for that.

Marcin Krzyzanowski

@stroughtonsmith šŸ¤” haha that is funny. I not necessary work(ed) like that just a week ago.

I have sample text that when I select paragraph, it alert that it can't work with with. but when select whole text, it's ok with it.

Steve Troughton-Smith

@krzyzanowskim it's real easy to test; I don't know if it has trigger words but most likely it's making a content judgment at the LLM level

shinratdr

@stroughtonsmith probably designed to give you a heads up that it will excise or skip over any content like that? So people donā€™t accuse it of ā€œsanitizingā€ without letting you know itā€™s not what it was designed for first.

David Skuza

@stroughtonsmith itā€™s nice seeing what our messages start out as from your end! šŸ¤£

Drew McCormack

@stroughtonsmith AFAIK there is no change to Siri yet. It is still coming. (According to Federighi with Joanna Stern)

Steve Troughton-Smith

@drewmccormack ā€¦but the welcome screen says it's a new era for Siri šŸ˜…

Sā˜…m Vā˜…rmā˜…

@stroughtonsmith At least it got the Dave you wanted? tbh I'll be pleased if it knows that when I ask it so send something to [son's name] I don't mean eponymous coworker from ten years ago

Jack

@stroughtonsmith Google isnā€™t much better than Iā€™m sure their model is bigger šŸ˜†

Gilad Ronat

@stroughtonsmith Iā€™m just impressed thereā€™s a timer in macOS now lol

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