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tante

What's going on over at Bluesky?

Oh they fundraised and got a whole bunch of money from a blockchain investor who has money in basically ever fucked up scam you have heard of.

Great.

bsky.social/about/blog/10-24-2

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DJGummikuh

@tante I honestly don't know so I just plain ask - would they have had the chance to reject his funds? I don't know how this works but I would assume there are anti-discriminatory laws in place everywhere to prevent favorism in investment?

tante

@DJGummikuh sure. You choose who you let invest and who you put on your board.

DJGummikuh

@tante Ah ok I didn't know. I thought this would go via the shares that you put out and you basically can just set the price and then whoever buys, buys.

Jonathan Mesiano-Crookston

@DJGummikuh no, it's a private as far as I'm aware. So it can sell its shares to whoever it wants.

Super Nintendo Chalmers

@tante I’ll just stick with and keep enjoying Mastodon

Dave Clark

@tante That "not funded by billionaires" social push didn't go to well for them

WaNe

@tante

So it begins😬

"We’re excited to announce that we’ve raised a $15 million Series A financing led by Blockchain Capital with participation from Alumni Ventures, ...etc.

In addition, we will begin developing a subscription model for features..."

tante

On the other hand: Mastodon's funding situation ain't great either which is one of the many reasons the platform isn't developing as quickly as many would like it to. 20k/month from Patreon doesn't really pay for a lot of work.

Mastodon needs a lot more cash as well to clean up their code base and gain some development momentum. And "a few people pitching in a few bucks" probabtwill not get there

movation

@tante so what do you reckon how much would be needed?

JollyOrc

@movation @tante my calculations for a similar venture a few years back was an investment of 4 millions over three years, with a bunch of the money going into research, outreach, moderation, product management, and yes, coding too

Glyph

@tante the pretty consistent month-over-month decline in patreon revenue worries me more than the fact that it is only $20k. I think that there is still cause for hope but everything I see does not seem to show me a healthy pattern of growth

Glyph

@tante and… I realize that this isn't causal or anything, but it can't be a good sign that @mastodonusercount has been offline for 2 weeks

Eric Schultz

@tante I would argue that, deep down, Mastodon's model is more honest.

Richard MacManus

@tante You can’t have it both ways though: it’s either VC money or continue to bootstrap. Are you maybe suggesting Mastodon should look for other crowdfunding avenues?

Jon

Mastodon does have other funding sources -- they've gotten a couple of six-figure donations, and their new US 501c3 opens up the possibilities for corporate matching. A couple of the 501c3's board members are great -- Esra’a Al Shafei if founder of Majal.org, co-founder of the Numun Fund, and board member at Tor Foundation -- although Biz Stone and a lawyer whose day job is defending AI companies against copyright lawsuits are also there, so we shall see.

In general I think Mastodon's going to have a hard time crowdfunding from the existing community under Eugen's leadership -- too many years of him ignoring community priorities. On the the other hand corporations who are betting on the Fediverse would find it embarassing if the best-known open-source Fediverse implementation goes away so that could be a more promising path for Mastodon -- for example I saw a post from Evan saying that SWF is looking for ways to get Mastodon money. Even if they were interested in VC funding, I'm pretty sure they missed the window (and that's almost certainly for the best).

@ricmac@mastodon.social @tante@tldr.nettime.org

Mastodon does have other funding sources -- they've gotten a couple of six-figure donations, and their new US 501c3 opens up the possibilities for corporate matching. A couple of the 501c3's board members are great -- Esra’a Al Shafei if founder of Majal.org, co-founder of the Numun Fund, and board member at Tor Foundation -- although Biz Stone and a lawyer whose day job is defending AI companies against copyright lawsuits are also there, so we shall see.

In general I think Mastodon's going to have...

Paul Houle

@tante a budget would help: do they need $40k a month? There’s a lot of fear that non-profits, like the Mozilla foundation, are basically unaccountable, the fact that Mastodon is not based in San Francisco helps with legitimacy.

william.maggos

@tante

we need to decentralize payments. an open protocol to give fiat directly from my bank to other banks. then we build APIs so that it can be automated but always within our control and easy to keep track of in our own banking apps. I think this would drastically improve the number of people that would give to FOSS projects that we regularly use. and make pay per listen, watch and read possible outside of the big middlemen/aggregators. effort on this would ripple out to all these projects.

Stephen Farrugia

@tante this is something that is good to know but I wish I didn’t know

samiamsam

@tante

i won't use a musk, zuck or dorsey product because of stuff like this

Doctor Popular

@tante Bluesky's crypto-connections were there from the start. Their very first blog post was a Bitcoin/NFT giveaway. I think the goal from the start was to create a web3 version of Twitter, which is probably why Dorsey picked a former blockchain dev to be lead the project. That pivot-to-crypto seems inevitable.

Jared White

@tante I think I might prefer to use the not-VC-funded social network that's actually using a web standard. 😅

#fediverse for life!

JeffWalkerBooks

@tante Honestly, there isn't a social media company that isn't getting looking for funds one way or the other. Let's not forget the whole AI aspect slipping in to many of these social apps as well.

Benjamin Reed

@tante I saw a bluesky dev respond to someone asking about this and they said, basically, "yeah we had some blockchain companies in the last round too, luckily being a public benefit corp will give us protection”

I mean, Public Benefit Corporations *do* generally have some actual enforceable stuff (as opposed to B Corps just being a pinky swear) but that's putting a *lot* of faith in it being enough to hold off the money people.

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