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s0: Soldering Sorceress

This is your regular PSA to learn the “over-under method” of rolling cables!

Coiling a cable the ‘normal’ way, whether just in your hands, around your elbow, or somewhere else, imparts a 1/2 axial twist to the cable each time.
That’s the main thing that causes your extension cables to develop kinks and degrade!
If you use the over-under method, the 1/2 twist is counteracted by a -1/2 twist every second loop, so the cable is kept flat and unstressed.
This can hugely increase the lifetime of your electrical cables, to upwards of 20 years of heavy use, without kinks or twists.
(GIF credit hosatech.com)
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43 comments
Mike, First of His Name

@s0 remember this technique with the helpful roadie mnemonic; "OVER worked, UNDER paid ..."

Stephen Collins

@s0 your garden hoses will also thank you for this approach.

lenahallesaale

@trib @s0 exactly, I was looking for a solution for them, great stuff!

to shreds, you say

@s0 this is even more useful for hoses

probably garden hoses, but definitely heavy commecrial grade rubber ones

s0: Soldering Sorceress

Here’s some videos to help you learn!

First up, the way I naturally do it — left-overhanded. It’s the smoothest to watch, because, y’know, it’s my job.

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Second, here’s the right-handed version.

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Lastly here’s a left-under-handed version. You can also do this right-handed. It’s when the head faces towards you, and the tail away. Some people prefer this method.

Fox

@s0

It's the roadie coil because they are Over-worked and Under-paid :)

jon ⚝

@s0
There's also another way where you hold the cable in one hand and tilt it between two fingers in the other, in so it finds its form itself.

s0: Soldering Sorceress

@yala I’ve had a lot of people mention this to me over the years, and it is theoretically possible — you’re basically trying to behave like a drum loader — but in my experience it’s just not as natural or fast for our hands.

TransitBiker

@s0 very cool. I should also remind people that wrapping your headphone cable around your device and slapping it in your bag or pocket is a big no-no. Just bunch the cable up on its own or use a snack sized Ziploc bag. I did this for years as a New York City tour guide & the one headphone pair I have left that still works (they eventually stop working because of getting water in them) is from 2006.

Vinnie (any)

@s0 yup. How I do it form a long time now.

Christian Vogel

@s0 and as a free added bonus: if you try to unravel the cable by passing the wrong side through the middle … you’ll get one knot for every two turns. This is to remind you to only ever pull on the correct side of your cable! 🪢

Daughter of Rao

@s0 but... developing kinks us fun!

Deborah Pickett

@s0 I feel like this could use a public-awareness song a la Slip Slop Slap. Leave it with me.

fluke

@s0 until you get an absolute nutter like me try to unroll it and end up with kinks and knots in it from tangling it

piegames

@s0 a bit tangential, but have any advice for better coiling up rope (twisted rope taken doubly)? I feel like there is additional things to be aware of, but trying to think about the maths behind it just twists my brain …

cos

@s0 I remember years ago reading someone talking about interviewing people for networking jobs, and somewhere during the interview they’d casually hand the person an Ethernet cable and see if they naturally rolled it up properly, like this.

PheebeUK

@s0 and as a huge bonus, cables unroll without tangling. For those not familiar, it means you can throw the cable holding onto the end or pull on the end of the cable without unwinding and you don't (usually) get tangles.

ehproque

@Pheebe @s0 sounds like I need to try this... with my garden hose

aardvark

@Pheebe @s0 came here to make sure this got said!

Breizh

@s0 But if it's coiled properly (without creating the loops with this gesture, but spinning it as if with a winder (or better, with a winder literally)), there's no twist at all, is there?

mraaaaak

@s0 Saw some (gen x) musicians this weekend wrapping up their cables after their set like they were cub scouts looping their ropes through their fists and around their elbows.

Guess someone's going to going to the local branch of PMT for replacements before long 🙃

Otte Homan - remember Geordie

@s0 any mountain guide will tell you this is something to be highly ashamed of ;-)

s0: Soldering Sorceress

@otte_homan I think rope is much more OK with twisting than cable or hose, at least that’s my guess. Definitely not the done thing there.

Otte Homan - remember Geordie

@s0 ... depends. When you're using a guide rope to secure someone and you have to throw it out, basically over the edge of a cliff or a ridge, you don't want any twisting going on - that would lead to twists, curls and knots, and your rope would likely get stuck between the rocks and near impossible to pull back up if you needed to. Guides usually throw the rope over their head such that it lands on their shoulders, swapping between left hand and right hand as they go. That leads to what is basically a giant zigzag. At the end you wrap the last 2m or so around the middle, and pull a loop through and over it to secure it.
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@s0 ... depends. When you're using a guide rope to secure someone and you have to throw it out, basically over the edge of a cliff or a ridge, you don't want any twisting going on - that would lead to twists, curls and knots, and your rope would likely get stuck between the rocks and near impossible to pull back up if you needed to. Guides usually throw the rope over their head such that it lands on their shoulders, swapping between left hand and right hand as they go. That leads to what is basically...

@stevewfolds

@s0 Coiled hoses, cords and ropes in twist/kink free figure-8s since ‘60s. Over/under is the same.

s0: Soldering Sorceress

@stevewfolds slower, but has a certain zen elegance to it, I concede.

Andreas, DJ3EI, he/him

Excellent advice by @s0 how to coil stiff cable! See 🧵 resp. cathode.church/@s0/11323069476 .

For years, I've been adding one loop to the left side of the coil and the next loop to the right side. This also produces no twists - if unwound in exactly the same fashion.

This is much better!

ChrisR

@s0 This is absolutely brilliant, thanks. My lawnmower cable has got badly twisted over the years, I've tried untwisting it by holding the reel in my left hand rather than right when I unspool it, but I was never sure of the correct way. Now, I mostly have to remember this until next year, as there's probably only one more mow this season!

Leonard Ritter

@s0 this is fantastic and i will from now on forget about it immediately

Dandelion

@s0 ooh, is it weird that I'm excited to learn this 🤣

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@dashlion if anything it’s weird you think it could be weird to find joy in learning a new fact or skill, one of the most human things. Be curious!

echarlie

@s0 it is not possible for me to retoot this enough. Cables, ropes, just do this with everything stored in coils.

Steve

@s0 this PSA is brought to you by the gaffer gang

Sander van Kasteel

@s0@cathode.church As an ex-sound engineer, this THE BEST way to roll cables!

Thomas

@s0

This is one of the first things you have to learn at a shipyard.

Working every day and all day long with electric extension cables, gas hoses, welding equipment cables all over 50 yrds, you are totally lost if you don't know how to left-right roll your stuff!

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