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21 September at 20:50 | Open on mastodon.social
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jacqueline 🌟

@bagder isn't andreas the guy who rejects all PRs around inclusive language because 'inclusive ideology' has no place in his project?

21 September at 21:10 | Open on chaos.social
irelephant

@jacqueline@chaos.social @bagder@mastodon.social Why can't we have nice things? Every time i hear about a new project or "cool" person they turn out to be a nutjob in some way.

21 September at 21:16 | Open on calckey.world
P4

@jacqueline @bagder at least it's nice to see that even people like that occasionally make good decisions.

21 September at 22:40 | Open on masto.ai
Kaito

@jacqueline @bagder From what I gathered he just wasn't aware of societal developments in the English-speaking world for the last 10 years or so. **Please do correct me if I'm wrong** but that was my impression of this issue.

22 September at 0:38 | Open on mastodon.social
Andrew Kaster

@jacqueline @bagder In case it's important to you, the contributing guidelines for both SerenityOS and ladybird have been updated in the past few months to clarify the goals and guidelines for both projects to be inclusive. If there's something there that still leaves something to be desired, please let me or some of the other maintainers know. Especially if it feels like opinions have been dismissed. I really hope that folks can hold both projects accountable for those types of things going forward without attributing select poor decisions from the past to everyone involved in the projects.

@jacqueline @bagder In case it's important to you, the contributing guidelines for both SerenityOS and ladybird have been updated in the past few months to clarify the goals and guidelines for both projects to be inclusive. If there's something there that still leaves something to be desired, please let me or some of the other maintainers know. Especially if it feels like opinions have been dismissed. I really hope that folks can hold both projects accountable for those types of things going forward...

22 September at 5:03 | Open on serenityos.social
jacqueline 🌟

@akaster @bagder interesting. i see you've split the ladybird discord out from the serenityos one too. that's good. genuinely hope it all works out and you're able to build something good.

for me, i see how andreas interacts online and i don't trust like that; it's plain as day to me that he came up on *chans. and until he personally puts something out saying "hey, i used to believe <X>, but that was wrong" then i think you're gonna find a lot of marginalised folks side eyeing the project.

22 September at 7:51 | Open on chaos.social
jacqueline 🌟

@akaster like to put it in perspective, here is a blog post by *bryan lunduke* of all people writing in support of andreas after the last controversy: lunduke.locals.com/post/582366

this the kind of support that andreas' previous public positions attracted. an improved contribution guidelines document is great, but it's not sufficient. trust has been lost, and you're not going to be able to regain it unless your remediation speaks as loudly and as strongly as the original issue did.

@akaster like to put it in perspective, here is a blog post by *bryan lunduke* of all people writing in support of andreas after the last controversy: lunduke.locals.com/post/582366

this the kind of support that andreas' previous public positions attracted. an improved contribution guidelines document is great, but it's not sufficient. trust has been lost, and you're not going to be able to regain it unless your remediation...

22 September at 8:11 | Open on chaos.social
Andrew Kaster

@jacqueline It took quite a bit of moderation on the ladybird discord to remind folks coming from posts/videos from Lunduke that we aren't interested in their culture war takes in project spaces. I can't speak for Andreas, but in my experience the community we're curating is friendly and excited about the technology we're building. If folks from more mastodon-active communities don't feel welcome in that environment, that's something I really want to work on. But anyone who has tried to rant about "crazy people" "attacking the project" has been firmly told to take their aggression elsewhere.

@jacqueline It took quite a bit of moderation on the ladybird discord to remind folks coming from posts/videos from Lunduke that we aren't interested in their culture war takes in project spaces. I can't speak for Andreas, but in my experience the community we're curating is friendly and excited about the technology we're building. If folks from more mastodon-active communities don't feel welcome in that environment, that's something I really want to work on. But anyone who has tried to rant about...

22 September at 17:59 | Open on serenityos.social
T-posing 3D Rotating Puppy :dogwink:

@akaster @jacqueline @bagder it’s really easy for well-meaning people who don’t really get it to kinda fail to grasp the dynamics at play, then feel they have to avoid losing face–when in reality they’re taking a side in the culture war

you get one contributor, possibly ESL and quite fluent but not aware of the politics of language, writing a sentence that posits the reader is male (PR is good enough, it gets accepted)
you get one person, first-time contributor, got the whole “blue hair and pronouns” vibe about xem, who sends a PR that merely turns it to “they”

so you go, “hey my project is apolitical, we respect all genders but this is a no-politics zone”–when in reality, the original PR was inadvertently political, and the correction actually turns it apolitical

i hope andreas can just own up to this and fix it because i badly want ladybird & servo to suceed

@akaster @jacqueline @bagder it’s really easy for well-meaning people who don’t really get it to kinda fail to grasp the dynamics at play, then feel they have to avoid losing face–when in reality they’re taking a side in the culture war

you get one contributor, possibly ESL and quite fluent but not aware of the politics of language, writing a sentence that posits the reader is male (PR is good enough, it gets accepted)
you get one person, first-time contributor, got the whole “blue hair and pronouns”...

22 September at 8:57 | Open on fedi.aria.dog
Gregory

@bagder oh I wanted follow Andreas on Mastodon but it turns out he doesn't have an account here 😢

21 September at 21:35 | Open on mastodon.social
Peter Bindels

@grishka @bagder He's the kind of person that really feels at home on Xitter.

22 September at 6:36 | Open on infosec.exchange
Billy O'Neal

@bagder you did the filtering of the cesspit for us, this is fine

22 September at 4:15 | Open on infosec.exchange
Stefan Eissing
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