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lord goth of doom 🥀

Attention cat people! 🚨

Be careful with automatic litter robots! There's a model currently being sold by a bunch of different retailers (same device but storefronts can change the branding) on Amazon, Temu, AliExpress, etc. that is deadly.

Here's a review demonstrating on stuffed animals.

cw for discussing pet death youtu.be/xepC3-Ia9ho?feature=s

A screenshot from Amazon.com: a listing for "Self Cleaning Cat Litter Box, Large Automatic Cat Litter Box for Multiple Cats with APP Control Odor Removal Safety Protection 2 Rolls Garbage Bags, White & Grey" from the story Amztoy. Listed at $329.99 The litterbox is a white dome with grey plastic cat ears and a small round outlet for a white cat to climb out of.
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Sylvhem

@guerrillarain This is a nightmare. I can’t even bear to watch that video.

lord goth of doom 🥀

@Sylvhem even watching it on a stuffed animal had me sick 🥲

Sylvhem

@guerrillarain I haven’t managed to reach that part. I’ve just seen the lady talking about her dead cat appears on screen and it was enough for me too stop watching :’).

Nocta

@Sylvhem @guerrillarain Yeah I'm a bit further it doesn't seem to get better ><"

bird-shirted puzzle baby

@guerrillarain yeah these are so unsafe. i basically just tell whatever jackson galaxy tells me to to do and he's been vocal against these death traps for years

Jessica's new Main

@guerrillarain@eldritch.cafe the worst part is that when that guy was testing it on his hands, even a grown man had trouble getting their hand out. what if you have this around small children and they stick their head in or hands? they won't have the strength to pull their hands out.

Clairement crevée

@guerrillarain oof that was a difficult watch

seems like the thing has software failsafes, but they are either absent or utterly broken in the firmware it ships with and it must be updated

i can't understand how they'd think about having sensors and software failsafes but come up with a design that is so horribly inherently mechanically unsafe 😭

UkeBLCatboy

@guerrillarain @Stellar To be fair (I watched the video), while it is of course completely unacceptable and absolutely insane that it was shipped with the sensors being pointless like that, the firmware update DID fix all three sensors and solved it.

So ig, return it, or install that firmware update and CHECK (with a plushie) if they now work.

But it's still ridiculous that it ever shipped like that. Which absolutely idiot programmed that sensor behaviour???????????

jaseg

@UkeBLCatboy @guerrillarain @Stellar@mk.absturztau.be Software can never be relied on for safety-critical functions. There should have been several hardware failsafes for exactly this case where the software does something stupid. They did not actually fix this in firmware, they just kicked the can down the road, eliminating one particular software failure mode, but without doubt leaving dozens of other software failure modes open.

ThatKomputerKat :neocat_cool:

@jaseg @UkeBLCatboy @guerrillarain yeah.. the video also covered how the opening not being a single piece of plastic permanently attached to the base but separate top and bottom pieces that just rest together would have made this failure mode non-lethal. The overall design is just fucked because of the opening being a single piece fixed to the base. Even with the fixed firmware that still makes a sensor failure mean death.

Ms. Que Banh

@guerrillarain I'll let friends know. We don't use any electric stuff like that for my cat. We don't use clumping litter either - causes respiratory issues.

Elenna :verified_transgender:​

@guerrillarain but it has 4.3 stars on Amazon and we all know Amazon reviews are very useful and definitely not often fake or people going "it arrived and it looks like the picture, 5 stars"

Condalmo.

@guerrillarain Is there an article or way to access the details without watching the video?

Condalmo.

@guerrillarain I can only see the initial post, not the thread (no X account)

lord goth of doom 🥀

@condalmo A woman posted on TikTok (her username isn't mentioned) that her cat died. She explains but doesn't show it got stuck in the litter robot, and she found the machine covered in blood. In the video, she didn't specify which litter box, but her review could be found on Amazon, on Amzy Self-Cleaning Litter Robot.

Youtuber "One Man Five Cats" moderates a Facebook group for reviewing self-cleaning litter boxes, and someone shared the tiktok video, so he decided to investigate. He quickly noticed that the amazon.com review had changed from "This machine killed my cat!" 1-star to "Good machine" 4-star, and then product was taken down completely. In the cursory internet search, he learned that the litter box is white label—so different storefronts bulk buy and can put their own branding on it. Just because Amzy took it down doesn't mean it isn't available from other sellers. So he ordered one from AliExpress to test himself.

Immediately, the YouTuber noticed the mechanical flaw with the machine. There is a little hole for the cat to climb into, but the inner litter area rotates up and since there's a cover on top, it closes off and there's no way to escape like some other boxes. There are two sensors that are supposed to prevent this, but the sensor failed and it resumed rotating. He sits a banana right in front of the sensor, and the inner litter area rotates up, up, up. The banana gets cut in half.

The YouTuber checks the app that comes with the robot and sees that there's a firmware update, so he updates it. He notes that there was nowhere in the instruction manual that there is a risk if not updated, and that this risk doesn't exist for any other boxes he's tried. He does a test again now that the box is updated with a stuffed animal, which crushes the stuffed animal's neck. Unable to keep spinning, the machine makes a whirring sound until the man pries the top off with both hands. He notes that a cat, if stuck, wouldn't be able to escape.

The YouTuber again tests both sensors—there is one at the entrance, meant to detect if something is entering/exiting, and another in front of the box itself. He holds both hands in front of the centers, but the box continues rotating upwards until his hand gets stuck. He shouts and works hard to free his hand, which has an indent in the skin. He opens the box to show the inside: there is a lip that is pretty sharp and there is no lining to even effectively remove clumped litter. The plastic looks cheap.

He mentions that he found two other reviews (doesn't specify what platform) for this particular litter box—a kitten was also crushed, and another heard their cat struggling and managed to get them free but still needed an emergency vet visit because the cat wasn't breathing well. He got in touch with the first woman from TikTok who said that Amzy gave her monetary compensation for the loss of her cat in exchange for her changing or deleting her review. They also said they would no longer sell the robot. Since she couldn't delete it, she changed and took down her TikTok video, but she didn't know the litter robot is available through a bunch of other dropship-type companies.

The YouTuber ends by giving advice on buying litter robots—buy from established brands with a history of making automatic litter boxes, check reviews that are from real people and preferably lots of them, confirm the specs and details for the size of your cat (there are some with weight restrictions), and make sure there's no way for your cat to get stuck—either there is no top, or the interior rotates along the X axis which will leave the entrance open all the time.

@condalmo A woman posted on TikTok (her username isn't mentioned) that her cat died. She explains but doesn't show it got stuck in the litter robot, and she found the machine covered in blood. In the video, she didn't specify which litter box, but her review could be found on Amazon, on Amzy Self-Cleaning Litter Robot.

🇵🇸 Mari :nb_crossbow:

@guerrillarain @condalmo here's a link for thems without twitter accounts - xcancel.com/Maowsers/status/18

(xcancel is a wonderful service)

Jay

@condalmo @guerrillarain Having watched up to the point where it’s tested: the litter box is a cylinder with a hole in one side that the cat enters through into a circular litter area that rotates to clean. The problem is that it rotates along the X-axis, so the interior hole rotates towards the opening rim, pinching anything in its way.

The Youtuber tested it with stuffies and his hand, and he had to apply real force to get his hand out, so a cat has no chance.

Jay

@condalmo @guerrillarain To put it another way, the way it functions is sort of like a garage door. Modern garage doors stop when they sense something blocking them, and some automatically retract, because if they didn’t, they could seriously injure or kill what’s caught.

This litter box pauses if it detects something in the way, but then it tries again, which is NOT safe when cats investigate by sticking their heads inside things.

artisanrox

@guerrillarain

I won't watch any video, I'll just be thankful I never got one of these 🥶 😭

Mx Verda

@guerrillarain
Aww crap. I need one from long covid (insert unending rage rant here about dangerous conspiracy bs here)

We don’t have a cat yet tho. I don’t suppose there’s a testing or regulatory agency with a list of certified safe(r) models…?

lord goth of doom 🥀

@MxVerda I don't know much about them, but the YouTuber I linked reviews them and recommends some safe alternatives! He may have some links on his other social media as well.

Tuckers Nuts Resist😈!

@guerrillarain
🥥 Well THIS story about dangerous self-cleaning litter boxes could well have been the trigger that started stories about aliens eating cats. </Sarcasm> 🥥

MissConstrue

@guerrillarain I saw this last night...and the stuffie demo literally made me cry. I posted about this story too, because everyone needs to know. These are horrific.

dark_stang

@guerrillarain I'm glad I spent the extra $60 for the automatic litter boxes that don't kill my cats.

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@guerrillarain This is horrifying. Software should never replace mechanical safety, EVER.

It should not be mechanically possible for an automatic litter box to decapitate a cat.

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@guerrillarain

To explain why mechanical safety is always a better guarantee for safety than software controls, look no further than the infamous Therac-25, which killed six cancer patients with lethal amounts of rads.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-2

Low Level Learning made a great 9-minute video on the causes of the Therac-25's bug: youtube.com/watch?v=41Gv-zzICI

C.Suthorn :prn:

@BlumeEvolution @SheDrivesMobility

Wer kommt nur auf die Idee, eine katzentoilette so zu konstruieren, dass es - durch Fehlfunktion oder bösen Willen - überhaupt möglich ist, damit eine Katze zu töten. Ingenieure bauen gegen sowas gewöhnlich sollbruchstellen ein und machen Maschinen so, dass sie im Fehlerfall in einen fail safe state gehen (tot-mann-schalter).

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