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Erkhyan

It’s funny how recognizing AI art nowadays is just the same old rules as recognizing the fae in old tales.

“Count the fingers, count the knuckles, count the teeth, check the shadows…”

… and under NO circumstances should you make deals with their kind.

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Elenna, Goo Girl

@erkhyan this is also a trick I've used to confirm I'm in a dream before. Just looking at my hands. Over time I've found easier ways than counting fingers though.

Potatofox

@elexia @erkhyan One time I confirmed I was in a dream because I looked at my watch and it said it was 16:21 AM .

Andrew

@Potatofox @elexia @erkhyan that happened to me once but I wasn't dreaming, just made a mistake while hacking my banglejs smartwatch

BuGioGangas :Ryyca:

@Potatofox @elexia @erkhyan To check if I'm dreaming, I try to read things - the text makes no sense and the words keep changing - not only the word itself, but also the font, for some reason.

MathiasTCK

@giovannicuriel @Potatofox @elexia @erkhyan I learned that trick from Batman the Animated series:

"As Batman eloquently puts it at the end of that episode, “reading is a function of the right side of the brain, while dreams come from the left side.”"

inverse.com/science/can-you-re

I don't really encounter written words in dreams anyway, nothing appears in that level of detail, and it's mostly black and white. More impressions then photos.

Elenna, Goo Girl

@mathiastck @Potatofox @erkhyan for me words keep changing on me as I read things in dreams. Also have a really hard time texting coherent sentences.

MathiasTCK

@giovannicuriel @erkhyan @Potatofox @elexia #BatmanTheAnimatedSeries has been on my mind since we lost Kevin Conroy. I checked his wiki recently and am only more impressed: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Co

Quincy

@giovannicuriel @Potatofox @elexia @erkhyan

This trick works remarkably well! False negatives are rare for me; almost always the text changes on the second glance.

Quincy

@giovannicuriel @Potatofox @elexia @erkhyan

Come to think of it, false *positives* could perhaps be achieved by some mischievous trickery with an e-ink display and a camera and some image "recognition" to change the text while you're not looking 😁

ZenithAstralis

@quincy @giovannicuriel @Potatofox @elexia @erkhyan

If you successfully get a false positive you need to upgrade that phrasing from mischievous to nefarious.

A. Lizard

@elexia @erkhyan I once dreamed i was watching a star trek TNG episode. Knew it was a dream because i'd never seen it before.

Tin :endeavourOS:

@erkhyan It's also a technique one can use to trigger lucid dreaming, people in dreams don't have the right number of fingers either.

Bunnii 🏳️‍⚧️

@tin @erkhyan This is a big part why AI art is seen less as art and more like computer dreams in my eyes

k.

@tin @erkhyan this week i was reading of parallels between dreaming and AI, wow.

ossifog

@erkhyan Maybe it's hidden programming from the last time we tried this and it collapsed all of civilization

Sally Monster

@erkhyan well this just made my day 😂💚🧡

pink haired hobbit

@erkhyan this makes really clear the relationship between recognizing one of The Good People and the uncanny valley; never thought about it before but it makes a lot of sense.
And it brings back the question of why we evolved with this instinctive response for recognizing something not quite human.

BrainPilgrim

@UnrealRonen @erkhyan Because some of them are capitalized Evil. We call it by many names because the ones who are good at it can act from different mental syndromes: psychopathology, narcissistic, etc.

And yet not all of them, of any syndrome, necessarily trigger my alarms.

By the time their eyes and face form into the Mask of Sanity (name of an early work on the subject) I get a very_bad vibe. These are the hard-core selfish who resist engaging with their own humanity, and refuse to acknowledge anyone else's.

My first big corporate job I nonetheless made waves. Because there was a salesman in the organization who kept hanging out in the lobby at the times it was my turn to sub for lunch at the receptionist desk.

I asked management to tell him not to do that anymore because his vibe drove me crazy. He just sat there and did paperwork but I was very uncomfortable. Fortunately he was told not to do this, and stopped. He subsequently left the company.

About two years later he was arrested and convicted for kidnapping and rape. So I do listen to my feelings. That was a good lesson in knowing what I felt, and acting on it.

It's especially crucial since we have a whole western society built on: "The emperor does too have clothes!"

@UnrealRonen @erkhyan Because some of them are capitalized Evil. We call it by many names because the ones who are good at it can act from different mental syndromes: psychopathology, narcissistic, etc.

And yet not all of them, of any syndrome, necessarily trigger my alarms.

By the time their eyes and face form into the Mask of Sanity (name of an early work on the subject) I get a very_bad vibe. These are the hard-core selfish who resist engaging with their own humanity, and refuse to acknowledge anyone else's.

Erkhyan

I’ve started getting replies of that kind, and I’d like to politely invite fans of AI generators to take their proselytizing elsewhere.

I did NOT live through machine translation’s methodical ravaging of the translation industry, only for y’all to welcome the same ghouls into the one last refuge I have.

Erkhyan

On one hand I’m glad that almost two thousand interactions on this post have only produced one Annoying Reply Guy™, on the other hand I’m irritated that there was still one.

So, piece of advice for AI proselytizers: the only opinion of mine you can hope to change is on whether YOU have enough basic intelligence to understand the words “don’t even try to talk me into thinking well of AI generators”.

Kerta :vorified:

@erkhyan I personally love the ones where it makes centipedes out of everything. Instead of a waistline, it's always more shoulders and torsos.

Klara Binon

@erkhyan don't forget the mirrors and the choice of jewelery, mainly the earrings.

Ces Felber

@erkhyan
Yes, but will it vanish if you wave iron/steel at it? Cos some of this stuff...now where did I put my Swiss army knife...

Riley S. Faelan

@erkhyan: One day, we'll get to make friends with AI.

It'll be a lot harder if humans will have invented a lot of nasty fairy tales about AI not wanting to be friendly by then.

Murf

@riley @erkhyan today's AI is not intelligent, it's just pretend intelligent. Like a jacquard loom it can mass produce something that appears complex, but is actually very limited. It'll require new regulations and controls to make it useful to society, and it will disrupt some roles but not as much as imagined currently.

subdee

@erkhyan A fried is trying lucid dreaming and the advice is the same there too btw. You're supposed to look at your hands to see if you're dreaming.... This is the also how you tell the robots apart from the humans in the OG Westworld. Hands are just hard.

DNAvinci

@erkhyan
Count the knuckles, fingers, teeth
Check the shadows underneath
If you're careful as I say
Clever you can spot the (f)AI

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