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Gerry McGovern

"A report from Morgan Stanley suggests the datacenter industry is on track to emit 2.5 billion tons by 2030, which is three times higher than the predictions if generative AI had not come into play. The extra demand from GenAI will reportedly lead to a rise in emissions from 200 million tons this year to 600 million tons by 2030, thanks largely to the construction of more data centers to keep up with the demand for cloud services."

techradar.com/pro/generative-a

10 September at 11:25 | Open on mastodon.green
25 comments
Frank Heijkamp

@gerrymcgovern For people who feel ashamed to fly because of the pollution flying causes. Please consider the fact that the world IT-infrastructure consumes the same amount of energy and causes the same amount of pollution as the entire aviation industry together. By the 2030 using AI will be thrice as polluting as flying.

Think about that!

10 September at 15:08 | Open on mastodontech.de
Bill Tschumy

@alterelefant @gerrymcgovern Now I feel ashamed about using the internet as well as about flying. Thanks.

10 September at 16:24 | Open on mas.to
Frank Heijkamp

@btschumy @gerrymcgovern It depends how you use 'the internet'. The use of generative AI has by far the most impact.

10 September at 16:28 | Open on mastodontech.de
Turb
iris ✿ sandwalker

@gerrymcgovern it will also create a barrage of new #ewaste for all the required hardware upgrades and network changes 😒

10 September at 21:47 | Open on mastodon.social
GreenerFutures

@gerrymcgovern yet another very good reason for us to be rejecting generative (derivative) AI.

#climateemergency #ai

11 September at 9:01 | Open on mastodon.world
Ainiriand

@gerrymcgovern can't a datacenter be powered with renewables? We should focus on demanding that for new ones.

11 September at 10:57 | Open on mastodon.social
David is impermanen_

@ainiriand @gerrymcgovern the data center power consumption is growing faster than renewable power generation so some states are having to reopen coal plants to avoid power outages. This idiotic “AI revolution” is undoing the little progress we’ve made on decarbonizing the economy. washingtonpost.com/business/in

13 September at 14:04 | Open on zirk.us
mikkel

@ainiriand @gerrymcgovern even if demand could keep up, the ewaste is not just a disposal problem but one that obviously generates huge amount of pollution in production of materials and in manufacturing

13 September at 17:32 | Open on mastodon.gamedev.place
Max

@gerrymcgovern more brainfuck is less carfuck - but I didn't expect this to be that expensive....

13 September at 12:16 | Open on mastodon.social
FediThing 🏳️‍🌈

@gerrymcgovern

For god's sake please stop using and building AI/LLM. It is literally killing our planet.

13 September at 12:57 | Open on social.chinwag.org
Jennifer

@gerrymcgovern this really makes me mad, especially since all this AI crap is totally unnecessary!!

13 September at 13:49 | Open on bookstodon.com
Nemesis

@gerrymcgovern We are so on track to living in Always Coming Home by Ursula K. Le Guin

13 September at 14:54 | Open on zeroes.ca
Lars Christiansen

@gerrymcgovern @maxd Who/what will pay for all that electricity? Todays data says that existing electric infrastructure will not support the load.

13 September at 17:11 | Open on iosdev.space
wendy boooOocek for Kamala

@gerrymcgovern Public Service Announcement: don’t let the unimposing term “data centers” lull you into complacency. These are burning hellfires of wasteful energy & water use, as businesses attempt to find some reasonable value for AI & LLMs.

13 September at 17:35 | Open on beige.party
paul

@wendinoakland @gerrymcgovern

they have succumbed to a mindset where “winning” means earning enough money to insulate themselves from the damage they are creating by earning money in that way. It’s as if they want to build a car that goes fast enough to escape from its own exhaust.

theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/

the most environmentally friendly thing we could do is jail them for crimes against the planet.

med-mastodon.com/@amiserabilis

@wendinoakland @gerrymcgovern

they have succumbed to a mindset where “winning” means earning enough money to insulate themselves from the damage they are creating by earning money in that way. It’s as if they want to build a car that goes fast enough to escape from its own exhaust.

theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/

14 September at 0:26 | Open on beige.party
Ame

@gerrymcgovern It might be my bad research abilities but I'm now 3 sources deep and cannot find out where these numbers came from 😭

14 September at 0:22 | Open on breta.moe
YHANCI~1.TXT

@ame @gerrymcgovern same, i've gone through a dozen of article talking about the Morgan Stanley report and none of them is ever linking to the original, which I couldn't find on the Morgan Stanley website either. I won't blame our (re)search abilities though, just their unwillingness to make hypertext links

14 September at 13:04 | Open on octodon.social
Matthew Walton

@gerrymcgovern this is assuming generative AI ever becomes useful...

14 September at 4:26 | Open on hachyderm.io
Richard

@gerrymcgovern and on top of all that, I believe there isn’t even any real demand for AI in the first place

15 September at 18:50 | Open on mastodon.gamedev.place
millennial falcon

@strawstack @gerrymcgovern plenty of inflationary speculative hype tho.
short them ai stocks, make a kiiiiillliiiiing.

15 September at 21:59 | Open on mastodon.social
Lien Rag

@strawstack

Not that I love SALAMI (like it should be called) but yes, there is an important demand for it.
Not necessarily a reasonable demand, but a demand there is.

@gerrymcgovern

15 September at 22:30 | Open on mastodon.tedomum.net
Alkaris 🏳️‍⚧️ :verified:

@gerrymcgovern Time to start pulling the plugs on all these AI focused businesses.

15 September at 18:58 | Open on meow.social
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