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Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

Decentralisation remains an underexplored field in commerce and communication, IMHO. For obvious reasons. Capitalism relies on control and centralisation. Kind of a contradiction, IMHO. A reason why decentralisation and transparency are often touted as goals, but never really implemented. 3/3

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Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

(In a flat and open field, the mesh network of an OLPC, that didn’t need the CPU for transmitting network traffic, so still worked when the OLPC was „sleeping“ had a range of up to 4 kilometres)

Luke

@jwildeboer such a good idea and wished there was an equivalent item now.

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

Going through my archives, I notice I might have been confused. This goes back even further. This happened 2008 in the pilot in Ethiopia. Rwanda was 2014. At that time the LED was already long gone. My apologies. I have corrected the original toot.

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

(And thank you all for being kind and respectful in the comments thus far. The OLPC was (and is) a defining part of my private and professional life. I was only involved on the sidelines but I met people that ware so deeply invested into the ideas. Developers. Children. Teachers. But also aggressive opponents, lobbyists that did everything possible to kill the project. It teached me a lot. And I still feel sad it never lived up to its potential. Maybe it will. I'm still a believer) Me, 2007 :)

James Brooke

@jwildeboer I would call this the "BytesWagon"
Compute/Comm for the masses!

Gabriel N

@jwildeboer I never got to see one in person. I did get to buy a knock off from HP and installed Ubuntu on it. Used it for web development.

The ideas sparked from the OLPC live on.

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@wtrmt Whenever you're in Munich, happy to meet and bring one or two along for you to fiddle with :)

Gabriel N

@jwildeboer wow! That is so kind of you! Regards from a fellow nerd, from far away, in Chile. I hope to go to Germany and meet you!

kattekrab

@jwildeboer we gave away OLPC machines at linux.conf.au 2008 in Melbourne.

I was also a huge fan of the program and sorry it did not reach its full potential. But I believe it changed computing. Cheaper laptops made it more accessible to more people. The eepc and chromebooks came after.

I’ve lost track of what’s happening with sugar. I should revisit it all.

lwn.net/Articles/267113/

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@kattekrab "The little machine that could" will always come to mind whenever I see one :)

Ted Mielczarek

@jwildeboer I'm still sad on a regular basis that the PixelQi technology died on the vine.

EdTheDev

@jwildeboer I've loved learning your behind the scenes stories on the OLPC, today.

The device may not be in production, but the dream behind it lives on.

Felipe L. Sologuren G.

@jwildeboer Thank you so much for sharing this. Amazing things I didn't know.

Jadi

@jwildeboer
This was so amazing. The whole OLPC idea, the latptops, this story and the amazing use-case you just described. Thanks for sharing.

p.s. I'm a programmer & a tech blogger from Iran, covered the OLPC news ~2007 :D jadi.net/2007/05/%DB%8C%DA%A9-

Thanks again.

@jwildeboer
This was so amazing. The whole OLPC idea, the latptops, this story and the amazing use-case you just described. Thanks for sharing.

p.s. I'm a programmer & a tech blogger from Iran, covered the OLPC news ~2007 :D jadi.net/2007/05/%DB%8C%DA%A9-

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@CGdoppelpunkt It's still around :) In total around 3 million laptops have been distributed over the years. laptop.org/aboutolpc/

Sia Vogel

@jwildeboer Ik herinner het me. Wat een prachtig idee was het. En hoe jammer dat het zo werd tegengewerkt. Maar wat hielp het de boeren!!!

Alexander Goeres
@Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: what has become of this initiative? i haven't heard anything about it since quite some time ...
Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

laptop.org is still around, though I haven’t been in contact with them since years. They distributed around 3 million laptops to children in total. Mostly unnoticed by us here in the west.

Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) :fedora:

@jwildeboer The ending of Red Hat's involvement in that project was also seemingly marked by the end of Red Hat trying to bring Linux to kids in general. It was really sad to me because if things had been different, Fedora might be the reference platform for the Raspberry Pi instead...

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@Conan_Kudo We continued to support Sugar on a stick for many years in the Fedora community. fedoraproject.org/wiki/Sugar_o The main reason we didn’t became the default OS on the raspberry is that it isn’t really an open platform, IMHO.

Maxime Ripard

@jwildeboer @Conan_Kudo Not really, no. Any x86 machine is less open than a RaspberryPi, and I don't see Fedora having a problem with that.

Max

@jwildeboer wow, never knew it was that many. Thanks for giving some more background info on that project; I knew of it, bit not a whole lot about it.

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

(as expected, the naysayers and opponents are now in the comments trying to turn my thread into negativity. As always. Well, I still hope I could give some of you some positive food for thought on unintended, but fascinating effects that we observed many years ago when the project started.)

Lukas Grossar

@jwildeboer To counterbalance the naysayers. OLPC was one of the projects that happened early in my time when I got interested in open source and it was always a project I found extremely interesting.
Up to your thread today I always thought OLPC had been a totally failed project and today I learned that they actually shipped a lot of machines, so thanks for that!

Ian Betteridge

@jwildeboer I hadn’t realized you were involved in that - amazing! And what a great story. Thank you :)

random thoughts

@jwildeboer I remember Microsoft doing its best to kill off cheap, affordable, widely available Linux laptops. What a horrible thing it was to watch this and how it was killed.

Paolo Redaelli

@jwildeboer @OLPC #meshNetwork is something we should really get as default in all #laptops and #phones. I will try to keep an eye on #IEEE802.11s

DJGummikuh

@jwildeboer this story is extraordinarily stupid (as far as the government goes) because the goal of #OLPC was to improve education, and then the government fumes because their population starts to make educated decisions...

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@DJGummikuh It’s IMHO one of the reasons we never saw the OLPC concept being introduced in a western country. I tried at the time. But we were always destroyed by government agencies with the „it doesn’t run Microsoft Office“ argument.

DJGummikuh

@jwildeboer yeah I also remember there was a huge outcry that it would destroy the mobile devices market and people should rather pay hundreds of Euros for Hardware they don't need to "not upset the market" 🤮

Erebus

@jwildeboer @DJGummikuh I cannot stress enough how much I hate MS Office and MS in general, specially when we consider the vast amounts of taxpayer money that goes to that putrid hole in government hw and sw.

OvertonDoors

@jwildeboer @DJGummikuh

There should be a hunting season for lobbyists, like other invasive predator species. It's impossible to get rid of them, but they can be controlled like other predators.

epicdemiologist

@DJGummikuh @jwildeboer Similar to something my kid's first grade teacher said about US education: "Yeah, they talk a lot about critical thinking, but they don't like it when the kids use it on them."

Simon Jaeger

@jwildeboer I think a lot about the fact that we all have pocket communicators with many different radios in them, but if disaster ever strikes, none of them can communicate with each other. The more I think about it, the more it feels like a sign of a world gone mad.

Arne Babenhauserheide

@simon Do have a look at Briar.

briarproject.org/

Though it’s a shame that such functionality isn’t *mandated* for every mobile sold.
@jwildeboer

tom jennings

@simon @jwildeboer

Other than the Briar Project, I know of nothing that addresses handset to handset direct comms. And no one I know is even vaguely interested in it and few, other than activisty tech types, even think the idea has value.

It's maddening. castoff phones on thrift stores, wifi only even, no sim, have more computing power than most people had in 1990. And no interest in them except as commodity platforms for whatever it is we do.

briarproject.org/

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@tomjennings The totally weird thing is that Apple implemented such a thing with Airdrop. It was used in the Hong Kong protests to distribute warnings and calls for demonstrations. Ultimately Apple had to change its implementation after pressure by the Chinese government. @simon

Lu-Tze

@tomjennings
There's @meshtastic which uses a LoRa device. Might be of interest to you.
@simon @jwildeboer

Thomas Broyer

@tomjennings @simon @jwildeboer Didn't Nokia build something similar into a couple phones back then? (~20 years ago)

Simon Jaeger

@tbroyer @tomjennings @jwildeboer My mother was funny about smartphones so I didn't get one until I was an adult. I completely missed the Nokia era. It wouldn't surprise me though. There was also this weird thing from the year 2000: youtube.com/watch?v=38VEBOseAz

David Monniaux

@simon @jwildeboer

But what would have been the commercial and government/regulatory incentives to make this happen?

Telcos want to be able to charge you, and governments like knowing where you are and who you talk to.

lobingera

@MonniauxD @simon @jwildeboer There are some technical reasons also. Cellular networks (and coordinated deployment) are very, very efficient and can provide stable services (and QoS).

Meshed networks and ad-hoc deployment work at a different operating point.

Dendari

@jwildeboer I was wondering what happened to #OLPC just last week. Thanks for this information.

Pēteris Krišjānis

@jwildeboer while OLPC was not really meant to be catch up, I was amazed by this technology, and mesh networking was part of it for this reason.As gov not being amused because of pressure towards merchants.....LOL

Sustainable us

@jwildeboer

You said the government was not amused, what did you mean by that?
It sounded like that was the opposite of capitalism.
I don't see how you come to the conclusion you have given the previous comment about the farmers getting the info they needed to trade freely.

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