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Michelle Hughes

@FediTips

I figure most of these require connecting to a real computer to do the internet stuff or the TLS stuff. Are there any that can actually stand on their own? I imagine the most likely candidates are Mac, Amiga, DOS, and Win 95.

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Michelle Hughes

@FediTips

Okay, it looks like we've got:

Fully independent:
* Amiga
* DOS

Needs a proxy to do TLS:
* MVS
* Win 95
* Mac

Needs a proxy to do internet:
* Apple II
* Commodore 64

Offline operation. Syncs with a computer:
* Palm

Alanna

@MegaMichelle @FediTips I wonder how difficult it would be to add direct TCP/IP to MOStodon. That means you'd only need a TLS proxy for a C64 when using an RR-Net for example. 🤔

Michelle Hughes

@kelpana @FediTips

It looks like some work has been done to make a very small tcp/ip stack.

github.com/cc65/ip65

You need special-built ethernet hardware, it doesn't do PPP or anything over the modem.

The VICE emulator can emulate an ethernet card, apparently.

Alanna

@MegaMichelle @FediTips yes, you need an RR-Net, which are not hard to get. Here's one, for example.

An RR-Net MK3 C64 Ethernet cartridge.
past oral no mad

@MegaMichelle @FediTips Hmmm, LUnix runs on an unexpanded C64 and has a TCP/IP stack.

Mireya Strife

@MegaMichelle @FediTips they can't. None of these systems support SSL, like at all. You'd have to write a SSL implementation from scratch and that is not only unnecessarily time consuming but also insecure.

The only need for a "real computer" is a SSL terminating proxy, which you could configure on the router directly, to make it seem more "real".

Michelle Hughes

@strife @FediTips

The readme files for the amiga and dos ones mention having their ssl built in.

Mireya Strife

@MegaMichelle @FediTips oh apparently there's an OpenSSL port for Amiga. That's nice. I stand corrected, the Amiga one seems to be standalone.

Anjune

@MegaMichelle @FediTips Amidon is standalone. There’s an up-to-date OpenSSL port (AmiSSL), there’re several TCP/IP stacks, there’re drivers for NICs, email clients, web browsers, all that stuff (*not going to run the majority of modern websites)

froggfish

@MegaMichelle @FediTips 20 years ago we did that with a Philips P2000T and P2000C. The machine was more or less a terminal. We had internet with the text browser, "links".

Michelle Hughes

@greenfrogg @FediTips

I had a TRS-80 Model 100 set up as a terminal once. It has like 6 lines of text or whatever, so instead of "links", I ran "w3m" which doesn't put anything ui elements on the screen.

It was too annoying to use, though, because of all the cables and converters I needed to get its modem port plugged into the usb port of a real computer.

froggfish

@MegaMichelle @FediTips Just found out in my archive that the interface was a linux computer and the software used was Mgetty for the communication between the P2000C and the Linux machine. The linux working group within the Dutch HCC (Hobby Computer Club) developed the interface for us.

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