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@storyworker

You say that it is your home. Isn't it by default your business? If the current owner decides to kick you out, wouldn't that be an issue? A direct impact on your life? I still can't understand your resistance to the idea of owning your home?

@HeavenlyPossum @violetmadder @Daojoan

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story worker replied to Panda

@FrenchPanda @HeavenlyPossum @violetmadder @Daojoan well darnit. I'm just a complex human being - surely you've encountered that before? Just because you see it differently to me, it doesn't mean I'm wrong. You able to let that land in you somewhere?

Panda Cab replied to story

@storyworker

Okay then. You don't care about whatever happens to you and your living place. I cannot even fathom that, and I don't understand your "complexity" but okay.

Less complex people tend to not like not having control over the place they live in. They don't like to be faced with the options of paying more and more money each year or be homeless. They would actually like being able to be sure that their home is actually their home.

@HeavenlyPossum @violetmadder @Daojoan

HeavenlyPossum replied to Panda

@Daojoan @violetmadder @FrenchPanda @storyworker

Rentierism consists of a person who threatens to hurt you, or kill you, if you don’t work for them.

Sometimes it’s quite naked and explicit. Sometimes it’s obfuscated behind elaborate social rituals and fictions. By far the most common of these fictions is the ownership of some asset you need to survive. “Pay me or I will starve you to death.”

That’s it. That’s the distilled essence of rentier ownership. That’s what every rentier relationship consists of. You labor on their behalf, and in return they refrain from hurting you, or killing you. A protection racket. The only thing the rentier owner “provides” you is a promise not to hurt you, at least until the next month’s rent is due.

Most people don’t like that.

@Daojoan @violetmadder @FrenchPanda @storyworker

Rentierism consists of a person who threatens to hurt you, or kill you, if you don’t work for them.

Sometimes it’s quite naked and explicit. Sometimes it’s obfuscated behind elaborate social rituals and fictions. By far the most common of these fictions is the ownership of some asset you need to survive. “Pay me or I will starve you to death.”

HeavenlyPossum replied to levampyre

@Daojoan @levampyre @storyworker @violetmadder @FrenchPanda

Yes—the capitalist, the warlord, the landlord, the banker, the mafioso, the king, etc, are all variations on a central theme.

RD replied to story

@storyworker

Your testimony in this thread pretty much convinces me that Buddhism is a scam designed to keep people in line and stop them from questioning the conditions they find themselves in.

@FrenchPanda @HeavenlyPossum @violetmadder @Daojoan

FoolishOwl replied to RD

@RD4Anarchy @storyworker @FrenchPanda @HeavenlyPossum @violetmadder @Daojoan Sometimes I get reminders of why I'm an atheist in the first place. It's not about metaphysics, it's that most religions are apologies for oppression.

HeavenlyPossum replied to Panda

@Daojoan @violetmadder @storyworker @FrenchPanda

Or if not “owning one’s own home,” maybe more simply “dwelling in a home without paying a toll to someone who merely owns a tollbooth guarded by a cop with a gun.”

Housing is structured in capitalist societies as, generally, a choice between *renting* and *owning,* and owning comes with its own financial and cognitive burdens. It makes sense for a lot of people to reject home ownership in the sense of capitalist hegemony in a way that wouldn’t make sense absent that structure.

@Daojoan @violetmadder @storyworker @FrenchPanda

Or if not “owning one’s own home,” maybe more simply “dwelling in a home without paying a toll to someone who merely owns a tollbooth guarded by a cop with a gun.”

Housing is structured in capitalist societies as, generally, a choice between *renting* and *owning,* and owning comes with its own financial and cognitive burdens. It makes sense for a lot of people to reject home ownership in the sense of capitalist hegemony in a way that wouldn’t make...

story worker replied to Panda

@FrenchPanda @HeavenlyPossum @violetmadder @Daojoan it is my home. You can see it how you want to, but I'm the one who lives here, so, I get to decide.

HeavenlyPossum replied to story

@FrenchPanda @violetmadder @Daojoan @storyworker

You don’t at all get to decide—your landlord owns the home, with all the coercive state authority that comes with that particular legal institution.

story worker replied to HeavenlyPossum

@HeavenlyPossum @FrenchPanda @violetmadder @Daojoan ok this has been intriguing. But once you start delving into thinking that you have more right to determine how it is that another person experiences and defines their own reality, I'm pretty disinclined to continue engaging. Ideological dogma is ugly and dangerous - no matter what colour hat it wears. Cheers. Seeya.

HeavenlyPossum replied to story

@Daojoan @violetmadder @storyworker @FrenchPanda

It’s easier to dismiss a new and uncomfortable idea as “ideological dogma” than actually consider that your understanding is incorrect. I get that! Cheers.

story worker replied to HeavenlyPossum

@HeavenlyPossum @Daojoan @violetmadder @FrenchPanda I've been studying social work the past 3 years, there is nothing new you are telling me here. Why conflate a different perspective with ignorance?

destroy replied to story

@HeavenlyPossum @violetmadder @storyworker @Daojoan @FrenchPanda

If another person experiences and defines their reality as controlled by a Jewish conspiracy set to exterminate white people or defines their reality as drunk driving being really good I think I have a right to correct them.

Panda Cab replied to story

@storyworker

If your landlord says that you have to move at the end of the month, what exactly can you do? To which extent can you actually decide?

@HeavenlyPossum @violetmadder @Daojoan

story worker replied to Panda

@FrenchPanda @HeavenlyPossum @violetmadder @Daojoan I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. Having a home allows me to do the work I need to do. Having to leave at the end of the month would also allow me to do the work I need to do.

Panda Cab replied to story

@storyworker

You're avoiding the question. You have done so for a while now...

@HeavenlyPossum @violetmadder @Daojoan

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