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Internet Archive Responds to Appellate Opinion in Hachette v. Internet Archive

"We are disappointed in today’s opinion about the Internet Archive’s digital lending of books that are available electronically elsewhere. We are reviewing the court’s opinion and will continue to defend the rights of libraries to own, lend, and preserve books."
-Chris Freeland, Director of Library Services

🔗 blog.archive.org/2024/09/04/in

28 comments
Amos

@internetarchive @pluralistic ugh. Legal nonsense like this puts me in a very Elbakyan mood.

P J Evans

@internetarchive
Y'all should have gotten PERMISSION before putting copywrited material online.
This is basic legal knowledge that you seem to have forgotten.

_jayrope :hubzilla:
@P J Evans i do in parts agree to your point - in general, and even if the difference between copywriting and copyright seems to have been forgotten as well ;)
LN

@PJ_Evans @internetarchive I'm not sure I trust the legal expertise of the guy who says "copywritten" over the org that has been pushing back against the restrictions on fair use and the destruction of the commons for decades.

Psittacus arabica

@PJ_Evans @internetarchive

It's 'copyrighted', doofus. And libraries don't need permission in writing because they're a public good whose protection overshadows profit

P J Evans

@caffetiel @internetarchive
That's a very rude way to correct a spelling error.
IA was lending material it didn't own. That's ILLEGAL. In case you hadn't noticed, public libraries can't do that.

Psittacus arabica

@PJ_Evans @internetarchive

How does that compare to having and serving archived pages of websites that exist/ed under copyright?

Historically the US didn't recognize foreign copyright. Until the 70s libraries were completely chill loaning out books by Brits who received no royalty from the library's acquisition.

Do you respect copyright owned by people with no connection to the work except having spent money?

EDIT: my rudeness followed the tone you set.

SmoggyLamb

@internetarchive
I'm sorry, but an archive that can't own, lend and preserve books for the public to enjoy at their leisure is ... Not a library!

PunkLawyer

@internetarchive

#FairUse takes a beating in the federal courts, because federal courts are corralling individual rights across the board. Line up with your bowl and shutup.

Zardoz
Decentralization is the only answer.
Cluster Fcku

@internetarchive In a big blow to the nonprofit Internet Archive and deep bow to AI for profit, copyrighted digital media is now exclusively accessible through American paid gateways guarded by a rambling Chatty Bard and their confused Copilot Gemini.

DELETED

@internetarchive

I know I will never buy a Hachette book again

The Lizzy Borden of copyright is Hachette

They took the law
And chopped it up

marinheiro

@internetarchive 'are available electronically elsewhere'? Is there a not missing from this phrase? what is importance to me as a service from the IA is access to out-of-print, never commercially digitised books, not ones available elsewhere.

marinheiro

@internetarchive Apologies, now I've read the judgment I've seen that 'available electronically elsewhere' is correct and the type of books I use you for may not be affected. Sorry for jumping to conclusions.

Lyricismist

@internetarchive Sounds to me like you’re about to lose access to real libraries. The European Union will still have them, you may even be able to borrow while you visit.

LukefromDC

@internetarchive Obviously nobody should ever buy any book published by Hatchette again, ever. If you own a bookstore and are reading this, please round up all Hatchette titles and return them for a refund.

Bitorrent yes, Hatchette NO. Pirates are stronger than any court...

LukefromDC

@julieofthespirits @internetarchive In terms of that, when the RIAA filesharing lawsuits were active, tens of millions stopped buying CD's in response. No copyright law can force anyone to consume content or anything else. Boycotting it completely is entirely legal.

Some say this may have been what finished off retail sale of music on physical media excluding traditional phonograph records (which still trade today). The RIAA abandoned the lawsuits, but not before the boycott permanently downsized the market for paid music.

@julieofthespirits @internetarchive In terms of that, when the RIAA filesharing lawsuits were active, tens of millions stopped buying CD's in response. No copyright law can force anyone to consume content or anything else. Boycotting it completely is entirely legal.

Some say this may have been what finished off retail sale of music on physical media excluding traditional phonograph records (which still trade today). The RIAA abandoned the lawsuits, but not before the boycott permanently downsized...

Willow

@LukefromDC Also Penguin, HarperCollins, and Wiley, who were co-plaintiffs

LukefromDC

@willow Fuck 'em all, let bankruptcy court sort them out. Suing people for copyright to limit distribution of books is second only to burning books. It's these assholes' money I want to burn...

Erik Uden ⁂🥥🌴🍑

@internetarchive Ridiculous. The idea this court decides against your favor is proof of a democracy in decline. Thank you, Internet Archive.

CyberFrog

@internetarchive@mastodon.archive.org A sad day for libraries and internet user's rights, I hope the internet archive continues the good fight and gets this overturned eventually!

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