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Kagi HQ

Hello, Fediverse! We're Kagi, and we're on a mission to create a friendlier, more human-centric internet that has the users' best interest in mind.

Our core product is a search engine that is ad-free, tracking-free, and fully supported by our users. We've worked hard to deliver a high-quality, fast, and reliable search experience without compromising user privacy: kagi.com/

Excited to engage with the community here.

#Search #Privacy #AdFree

Screenshot of Kagi homepage with the text "we're on Mastodon!" in the search field
54 comments
Tomáš Znamenáček

@kagihq Welcome! 👋 It would be a good idea to verify the web link in your profile so people know this is your official profile: joinmastodon.org/verification

Kagi HQ

@zoul Thank you for the warm welcome and suggestion, Tomáš! We are on it 👍

Honza

@kagihq yeah, welcome. Now I can't wait for the 50K milestone!

deepy

@kagihq are you still partnering with the famous and open homophobe?

anirudh

@xrisk @deepy @kagihq I'm assuming they're referring to Kagi's partnership with Brave—and therefore, Brendan Eich.

Thibault Molleman🇧🇪 🌈🐝

@deepy who? I think you might be referring to a different search engine? (Brave)

Thibault Molleman🇧🇪 🌈🐝

@kagihq aaa! Glad you managed to make one finally, Welcome!

PhilipKing

@kagihq I understand it’s a paid for service but I don’t understand why I need to give you my data (email address) and how I can trust this won’t be used for tracking. For example, what happens if you are bought out?

Thibault Molleman🇧🇪 🌈🐝

@PhilipKing @kagihq then just use a throwaway email?
You can't expect them to be paid but not have an emailadres to send receipts to....
If you're that concerned about privacy, you should have something like @simplelogin to create aliases for all different services you use.

PhilipKing

@thibaultmol @kagihq @simplelogin Throwaway email still might allow a profile to be built and traced. I’m trying to understand why they don’t use a verified trust service to manage payments. That just provides them with a yes/no every time I wanted to search. (It breaks the link and eases concerns about what might happen in the future)

ThomasToSpace

@PhilipKing @thibaultmol Kagi user here: Because there's more features tied to your account.

Two examples:
There's for example 'Search Lenses', which limit searches to certain websites (multiple sites, so more powerful than site:example.com).

There's also a way to hide, lower, raise & pin websites in search results. This also requires your account.

Having a separate trust service for the payment part, would still require an account in these cases.

@PhilipKing @thibaultmol Kagi user here: Because there's more features tied to your account.

Two examples:
There's for example 'Search Lenses', which limit searches to certain websites (multiple sites, so more powerful than site:example.com).

There's also a way to hide, lower, raise & pin websites in search results. This also requires your account.

PhilipKing

@thomastospace @thibaultmol That’s all well and good but I can’t choose not to have an account.

LN

@kagihq paid search engine? Good luck with that.

Tomáš Znamenáček

@ln @kagihq Most search engines are paid. Here you can at least pay with your money and not your privacy. Sounds like a good deal to me, I am a happy customer.

ellzumem

@zoul @ln @kagihq Exactly. Google makes something like $250 per year per US user. Sounds fairly easy to be profitable off of that, so I’m sure it’s still possible with less, but direct from users revenue.

Matt Fantinel

@ln @kagihq they’ve been profitable for a while iirc

Dane

@kagihq Still putting all of your effort into bullshit GenAI or have you gone back to improving your core product?

Jan Hamáček

@kagihq Welcome! I have been happily using your search for a year now. I like overall quality of the search engine and clever non invasive integration of llm.

Kagi HQ

@janhamacek That's great to hear! Thank you, Jan 😀

Jan Bělohoubek

@janhamacek May I ask you? What is your long-term experience with localized (cs :-) ) results/usage (if any), especially for kids?

Jan Hamáček

@belohoub I use it in Czech from time to time and I am pretty happy with the results. Didn’t have inclination to go back to Google for any search for quite a while now. Even llm summarization works very well imo. I don’t however have any experience with usage for kids.

maique :prami:

@kagihq Welcome! Took you long enough, but happy you finally arrived 🙂

Max

@kagihq
Calling for a „More Human-centric internet“ while selling AI products seems contradictory to me

kagi.ai/

Richard Hughes

@kagihq I'm a long-time happy paying customer, so welcome to the Fediverse!

Kagi HQ

@hughsie Thank you, Richard! Happy to hear this! 😀

Velocipede Rider

@kagihq Hi, could you verify your account so that we actually know it is you

joinmastodon.org/verification

Charlie Fish

@kagihq Maybe consider verifying the Kagi website so people can verify the authenticity? joinmastodon.org/verification

amanjeev | امن جیو | ਅਮਨਜੀਵ

@kagihq hey folks, how do we know our data is not being used for gen ai stuff?

Kagi HQ

@amanjeev Thanks for inquiring! We address this in our latest blog post:

"Since we don’t show ads (and never will) and don’t train on subscriber data there’s no reason for us to harvest your data, track your clicks, searches, threads, or build a profile of you. When we use third party models via their APIs it is protected under terms of service that forbid using data for training their models"

More here:
blog.kagi.com/announcing-assis

ellzumem

@kagihq Highest recommendations, people. Try Kagi out – first 100 searches are for free! (You won’t want to be going back to ad-supported search after)

Kagi HQ

@lm1 Thank you so much! 😀 We're here to make ad-supported search a thing of the past.

Steve :verified:

@kagihq
I applaud the idea but feel the model of a paid subscription might be a limiting factor.

I hate advertising, It's an idiot tax for people who can't choose and evaluate products themselves.

Ad promoted brands are more expensive (to pay for the advertising) but perform no better than own brands.

Ads encourage over consumption in pursuit of profit.

Ads interrupt programming.

I'm really happy using DuckDuckGo through Firefox with uBlock Origin

@kagihq
I applaud the idea but feel the model of a paid subscription might be a limiting factor.

I hate advertising, It's an idiot tax for people who can't choose and evaluate products themselves.

Ad promoted brands are more expensive (to pay for the advertising) but perform no better than own brands.

Ads encourage over consumption in pursuit of profit.

Thiago Figueiró

@kagihq welcome!

Does it work in iOS private mode yet? Without having to authenticate every time I want to do a search?

That’s why I gave up last time.

Jan Hamáček

@thiagocsf @kagihq It does for any browser that allows you to set custom url for private search. You put in url with auth key and you are automatically logged in even in private window. So it works for Firefox, Brave, Orion, even Chrome I think. I am not sure about Safari.

Der Zarte Kulturträger

@kagihq Hi, Cagi! Your Orion browser is such a great product. Hope you will build it up further

Faye

@kagihq @jpthuot03 ok, yeah, search engine that actually allows you to pay money rather than selling your data _and_ has a fediverse presence, colour me interested.

Quinn Comendant

@kagihq Welcome (finally)! I’m a big fan and early supporter. 👋… (1/3)

Quinn Comendant

I see some comments here doubting the pay-for-search business model. I understand you’re already financially sustainable from your 30k+ subscribers, with no VC investment. With few compromises too: price is fair, quality is good, rapid development pace (surprisingly-long list of fixes and new features every month for such a small dev team 👏). I too didn’t think you could succeed, at first, but it seems you are thriving. (2/3)

Quinn Comendant

One risk I worry about is having your access to the large search indexes cut. Ultimately, Kagi is reliant on Google and/or Bing to provide long-tail results, and it’s not inconceivable that they might want to renegotiate their relationship with Kagi at some point. 🤔 (3/3)

qik

@kagihq thank you for posting on Mastodon, Kagi

linkert

@kagihq I find the service to be nice, some neat features like the exclusion deal but it's not essential, yet.

How was the 5 and 10$ tiers calculated - what's the profit margin? Have you or could you be transparent with the monetary side of things?

Kagi HQ

@linkert Thanks so much! These are great questions for our community Discord so that the wider team could engage: kagi.com/discord

Florian Idelberger

@kagihq hope the search gets back into focus and the ai work gets less. I don’t need a google copy

Luc

@kagihq (small note that it's considered good practice on Mastodon to add alt texts for vision impaired users)

Mehrad :kde: :emacs: :rstats:

@kagihq
Oit of curiosity, is there any perspective of having higher search count but with no AI assistant that has lower price? E.g 1000 searches per month and no FastGPT, and perhaps limit it to only 2 lenses with the price of 6-7$?

If your averages on your website are correct, then majority or users will not use their quota anyways.

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