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Mg. Moss

I propose: pw;dr to mean “paywall, didn’t read”

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RalfMaximus

@mrblissett

I'm not sure what you mean by "contain a russian tracker". It's a self-funded site run by a single Russian citizen, based somewhere in Europe. There is no malware, nothing is installed, nothing is 'tracked'. All according to the article you linked. It does not appear to be an FSB operation or tied to the Russian government in any way.

Is the implication that because they are Russian it's a bad/dangerous site?

@econads @Moss @dillyd

T. T. Perry

@mrblissett

The article you shared ends with "I for one will be buying Denis/Masha/whoever a well deserved cup of coffee."

... So I guess the author isn't alarmed?

Matthew

@ttpphd

Probably just respect for technical skill.
I would hope it isn't a foreign government, but again there's that Russian tracker 😕

T. T. Perry

@mrblissett

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

rootfake

@ttpphd @mrblissett it literally says "uses a Russian analytics engine", calling that a "Russian tracker" would be like calling Google analytics an "American tracker" or the way you're using it, a "cia tracker". Like, I block all analytics stuff for privacy reasons, and all analytics services know way too much about everyone, but most of the Internet uses one service or another, it's not malicious by itself.

Eskibrew

@Moss excellent idea - I wonder if we should have one for news websites too which are so full of adverts and rubbish that I give up trying to read the content because it takes so long to load all the cr@p - perhaps wc;dr after the original 😂

Tingo

@eskibrew @Moss

ublockorigin.com/ will dispense with the ads, and if the content is truly appalling chuck the whole site on its blacklist

Eskibrew

@fixatedpersonsunit that's a good point. I use Firefox on my laptop with adblock and it's great but I usually use "naked browser" on android since it's uncluttered and fast but it doesn't support extensions so that's a good reason for me to switch to Firefox on mobile too 🤔

Tingo

@eskibrew

Doesn't seem as effective on android, plus my phone isn't rooted so I tend to mistrust it in general and avoid apps

Really should get a dumb phone

Aether Aerial

@eskibrew @fixatedpersonsunit I switched a while back to Firefox with ublock and it seems effective. On my LAN I have a Pi that probably helps, but while mobile/vpn I haven't noticed any ads (and it'd be very obvious). Only thing I use Chrome for is as a backup to check if the site's broken or odd on Firefox

Mg. Moss

@mediopocillo It’s such a universal experience that doubtless many people have had the same idea. 🙂

Tizian

@Moss Just for clarification: if one has to abide to tracking or alternatively pay (substantially more) in form of an ad-free subscription; that is also a "paywall", right? :BlobhajShock:

Mg. Moss

@tizian As you wish! I was thinking of any sort of extra money barrier to reading the article. Pop up ads that block too much of the screen are a sort of paywall.

WCOW The Archers

@Moss
Good suggestion, however with Firefox you can click on a page symbol in the address bar, and by using the extension Ublock I've found I've been able to read a lot of them.

Mike Dixson

@Moss hell yes.
Some also now have a privacy pay wall. You can either allow all cookies or pay to subscribe to the site and not allow all cookies 🤢

cybervegan

@Moss If enough people start using it, it will gain traction.

Infrogmation

@Moss

Need one for "obnoxious pop-ups; closed without reading". "op;dr"?

jelte

@Infrogmation @Moss sr;tuavispkvottots: Stopped reading; the unrelated autoplaying video i scrolled past kept visible on the top of the screen.

DELETED

@Moss I prefer DDBP: democracy dies behind paywalls (in dishonor of the Washington Post).

Stop the Genocides | Konstanz

@Moss

What about kh;dv: #Kamala #Harris, didn't vote?

Sorry for going off topic but time for #change is running out fast.

#KamalaHarris #VoteThirdParty #JillStein2024 #JillStein @palestine

arceuthobium

@stg_kn @Moss @palestine if you’re gonna vote third party it doesn’t matter when you do it. Voting for Jill Stein on February 28 will have exactly the same effect as voting for her on November 5th.

Stop the Genocides | Konstanz

@theothersimo @Moss @palestine

Well, what "effect" will voting for #Kamala (or #Donald, for that matter) have? 🤔

Stop the Genocides | Konstanz

@theothersimo @Moss @palestine

Voting Dr. #Stein is not an option for any of us: wrong passport.

Nevertheless, we do behave in a similar way within our own #rigged #voting #system because we believe it's all we can do, i.e., either we #boycott #elections altogether or we (symbolically, for now) vote for the least #evil #party. Preferably in droves (which we are calling for). It's a matter of expressing an #opinion, first and foremost, and if it leads to a bit of #confusion, then so be be it.

arceuthobium

It will piss off a lot of racists who hate black women, especially Netanyahu.

Matthew

@stg_kn
#1 Third party distraction doesn't work in first-past-the-post
#2 Putin knows this. That is why he invited Stein to dinner in Moscow

#3 Blocked

@Moss @palestine

kauer

@stg_kn

1: If you can apologise for it in the same toot, you can just not toot it in the first place.

2: Not everyone is an American.

3: Not everyone is interested in the US

4: Muted so you see this, blocked tomorrow.

Stop the Genocides | Konstanz

@kauer

5: Nobody cares about your personal problems. Mee, mee, mee. 🤷

#FediHate

HyperSoop :spinny_cat_aroace: :spinny_fox_agender:

@stg_kn how about you touch some grass and stop sabotaging democracy

whether you like it or not, in the american system voting for a third party is the same as not voting

Stop the Genocides | Konstanz

@soop

Self-evidently wrong. Whatever sanity sabotaging grass it is that you are smoking in your crazy little #Kamala cult, maybe you try and get some manners, some adult brains and a bit of capitalization before ever talking to us again. Good riddance, boy.

Dave

@stg_kn @Moss @palestine What you say: "I'm going to vote third-party / Trump / nobody because I don't like Harris' foreign policy"

What I hear: "I'm happy to put your sister, nephew and brother-in-law in danger because I don't like Harris' foreign policy".

Want third-party to be a viable option? FIRST fix your system, THEN vote third-party.

#AmPol #Trump #Harris

Dave

@RememberUsAlways Listen up and listen good, hasbara troll: You do NOT get to wave away genocide just because it's a US foreign policy failing. Enjoy your (rare) block.

Grumble

@Daveosaurus @stg_kn @Moss @palestine Can you explain how voting for Harris will help fix the system?

Because I'm seeing her as having a lot to lose by changing the system.

Dave

@grumble209 @stg_kn @Moss @palestine Learn from history. 40 years ago the New Zealand system was patently broken in much the same way. People agitated for electoral reform and wouldn't shut up until it was achieved.

Grumble

@Daveosaurus @stg_kn @Moss @palestine But how did New Zealand get the money out of politics? By voting for candidates who were funded by huge donors? Or by not voting for candidates who were funded by huge donors?

Sam

@Daveosaurus @stg_kn @Moss @palestine

What you need to recognize is that #Genz and #Millennials have been so screwed over by #Boomers that they have taken another path.

They vote for you if your values align with theirs, particularly on critical issues. #Harris largely does.

#Genocide is a deal breaker. She refuses to denounce genocide. So they may simply NOT vote.

You may think that is stupid. It isn't. They do NOT accept the cold war game theory of forced choice.

She must earn their vote

Sam

@Daveosaurus @stg_kn @Moss @palestine

Also recognize that if #Harris refuses to come around, and loses, that #Genz and #Millennials will feel no responsibility for her loss. That will belong entirely to her.

If that causes you grief, you have a way to fix it. Convince Harris that supporting #genocide is an unacceptable, immoral, unethical and illegal thing to do, and CHANGE her stance on the Israeli genocide.

That is on you.

PeachMcD

@Moss Seconding the suggestion to include required personal registration b4 reading

Patrick Morris Miller

@Moss I like that almost as much as iv;ww (is video, won't watch).

Roundcat

@Moss tma:dr

Too many ads, didn’t read

:jan:‍:abreath:‍‍🌬:dandelion:

@Moss I like it

The security admin in read "password, disaster recovery" 😅

TomAoki

@Moss
And I propose: aw;dr to mean "Ad wall, didn't read"😉

Risotto

@Moss I sure hope they don't count those as "page visits"

vashbear

@Moss

But what is the alternative to paywalls?
I can think of only 4:

1) Ad supported sites
2) unpaid Journalists who are independently wealthy
3) User supported journalism (like NPR or "pay what you want sites")
4) micro payment supported sites

#1 is by far the largest business model, and it is full of problems.

I would love to see #4 but it hasn't seemed to work yet. Rather than subscribe to 4-9 sites, id rather put $100 into an account that I could read *any* article for a few pennies.

@Moss

But what is the alternative to paywalls?
I can think of only 4:

1) Ad supported sites
2) unpaid Journalists who are independently wealthy
3) User supported journalism (like NPR or "pay what you want sites")
4) micro payment supported sites

#1 is by far the largest business model, and it is full of problems.

vashbear

@Moss

Good journalism, good writing, good research is valuable. If you don't want to pay for it then, I am afraid you get what you pay for: usually "crap"

Fish Id Wardrobe

@vashbear @Moss That does not mean I have to pay for access to every random site folks on here link to?

Arthur Detoo

@vashbear @Moss there's a 5th: public funding. this doesn't mean "government run propaganda outlets", the money can be distributed by an independent trust which is essentially where a big chunk of NPR and PBS funding comes from via the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. The BBC is another example. Both NPR and BBC do some of the best journalism in the world imo and we should use this model a lot more. Journalism is a public good and the public should fund it accordingly

Adam ♿

@Moss Careful you don't wipe out 404 Media, Defector or Aftermath.

LovesTha :manaBG: :manaGU:

@Moss make sure to follow with misguided arguements based off the 12 words you could read. Make it obvious that sharing paywalled links wastes everyone's time

Bread80

@Moss ta;dr - too many ads, didn’t read.

Roger BW 😷

@Moss I've been using this for a while. Also v;dr because I read a lot faster than I watch.

:blahaj: Why Not Zoidberg? 🦑

@Moss There's still about 40% chance that just switching to Reader View in Firefox will disable the paywall.

Daci

@Moss pW;dr would give some tangibility to the wall.

James Britt

@Moss

ww;dr

"Waymo-walled; didn't read"

When hit with a "train our self-driving cars" Google reCAPTCHA.

Janusz Leidgens

@Moss also don't forget tps;dr too much pop up spam didn't read

Toni Aittoniemi

@Moss I think we should be paying for journalism actually. The advertising model has caused clickbait and fake news to profilate and quality of journalism to tank.

Mg. Moss

@gimulnautti If we can select and distinguish between independent journalism and corporate shill “journalism”, then yes. But most articles that get shared are from entities far older than clicks, and so embedded in the moneyed police state that even the occasional good article is just bait.

Ölbaum

@Moss @vwbusguy And what do you call someone who posts a paywalled article with a headline that says the opposite of the article, and then blames people who react to the headline for not reading the article?

Mark Crocker

@Moss I would like to propose a tag #PWDR for this. There is already a #TLDR tag and several variants, why not PWDR?

I've used it already today, indieweb.social/@mcrocker/1130 , but I linked to the top post in that post, so, I hope I don't send anybody's Fedi-client (Mastodon client) into an infinite loop 🤣

Kermode

@Moss Also, like a place you'd take a pw;dr (powder) away from.

Mg. Moss

@gemlog Call my notifications the pw;dr room

Residual Entropy

@Moss@beige.party I would also add:

na;dr to mean “needed account, didn’t read”

definitely not thinking of a certain birdsite or anything

Pipe Gutierrez

@Moss @Meyerweb we can do the same for software, cm;du to mean “costs money, didn’t use”

Mizah

@Moss What about: "Sharing with hundreds of advertising partners; didn't read"

Or SwHoAP;DR

Mizah

@Moss HA;DR

(H)undreds of (A)dvertisers; Didn't Read

Kevin Karhan :verified:

@Moss +9001%

#PWDR (#Paywall; didn't read) and espechally #PWWR (Paywall; won't read)...

mirabilos

@Moss it’s bp;dr (behind paywall, didn’t read), has been for… two years or so.

mathew

@Moss SS;DR: Substack, didn't read. To go along with BS;DR for Bird Site, Didn't Read.

Mg. Moss

I’ve muted notifications on this but since you’re looking here, donate money to the next mutual aid request you see.

FSMaxB

@Moss Another one cb;dr meaning "cookie banner, did not read"

For search results, I do actually sometimes click away if there is a cookie banner instead of finding out how to decline the cookies.

Saxnot

@Moss makes sense

it's not really a public-ation when it's not public.

Simon

@Moss

I don't disagree.

In the interim I highly recommend Archive.ph which gets around cookie bullshit and paywall

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