@whitequark I dunno about this one, if distro maintainers are breaking packages that sucks, and if they're hostile to upstream effort that's as bad as if upstream is hostile to distros. debian has problems for sure, their tooling is complex and the steep learning curve makes it difficult for newcomers (me included) to get involved. I do fundamentally believe that collaboration and efforts to build consensus is important though, and at the end of the day, I appreciate having a mediator between upstream and me to apply back-pressure against economic forces which are increasingly pushing devs towards a move-fast-break-things sling-shit-over-the-fence model