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Fifi Lamoura

@iju I'm contextualizing to Canada and I assume you're talking about ACT UP and AIDS activism and activism against police brutality. And, no, pushing new ideas doesn't involve being a caricature. We were all busy being our queer selves and then we had to do activism because circumstances demanded it (and a lot of us worked in the arts, lots of straight acting Gay men were still in the closet in the 1980s so you didn't see them as much and so on). But, also, activism isn't just being out on the streets, it's also fighting things in court and creating supportive organizations and there are all kinds of people you don't see doing that work. Sure shock tactics were used to force the media and public to pay attention, that was a tactic among many tactics. I take it you haven't been engaged in much activism over your lifetime? @kissane

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Juho Mäntysalo

@fifilamoura @kissane

Afaik, ACT UP wasn't a thing hereabouts. AIDS was more or less seen as a problem for the public health care system, and that's how it was adressed. (This based on articles I've read -- I'm a bit too young to have lived this).

But as I said, using gays in this context might have been a mistake.

I've done activism.

Never been in the "vanguard", though. I do know people who I'd say are. But I don't keep my ideals close to chest in hope of normalisation.

Juho Mäntysalo

@fifilamoura @kissane

But speaking of gays and gay rights of 1980s, these are the photos that are popular here to memorise the time. I'd say it has some carnevalisation in there, wouldn't you? At least it's hard to do this in closet. And that's hard in a society like mine which was very homogenous.

They were intentionally breaking the law (by being seen and themselves), and thus making them open for jail.

And today Pride is all about carnevalisation, of course.

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